Deadlift workouts

[blackbeard]

here pullinbig i wil save you the trouble .

me load bar with lots of heavy round disk ugh
me lift bar with heavy round disk ugh
me go find cat now , he so pretty ugh





the truth is my philosphy is closer to pullinbigs than louies and westsides , i think the routines are a little to complicated for the average lifter and i also feel its also extremely easy to overtrain useing their system . BUT COMA i love a lot of the excercises that are used daily by many powerlifters simple because louie has pushed them , good mornings,lockouts,boards,bands,chains,glute ham raises,reverse hypers,lying tricep extensions and the list goes on and on are excercises that kick ass to one degree or another and have helped many many people .these guys work their asses off and thats a fact some may beat them at a contest but its doubtfull that its because they worked harder .
so i guess my philosphy halfway between westside training and pullinbigs cromagnon training ugh

sticky sticky!!!!

 

[pullinbig]

damn dawgystyle you stole my article. we all in agreement here. its nice to post some lengthy reads from time ot time but all of louies reads are lengthy. =0)

the most profound statement loui has made that caught my eye is this "if you got a bottle of test and a stack of weights neither one is gonna do you any good till you use them". now he sounds like me. =0)

 

[syko]

if it wasnt for the damned holes in the middle of the plates, id eat my food off em!

 

[pullinbig]

well put a doughnut hole in there.

 

[syko]

well how about they just invent plates big enuff for us big bois

 

[pullinbig]

well how about they just invent plates big enuff for us big bois

its called a feed bag.

 

[gallmond1977]

if you leaning forward a bit its prolly one of two issues. your form is off or your back is stronger than your legs therefore your ass is flying up to take the pressure off your legs and dumping it on your back. (the path of least resistance) either way the problem needs to be fixed before you mess your lumbar up.

send me a clip tiny and let me have a look and well get ya straightened out.

i think i have the same problem, I am pretty sure that my back is stronger than my legs, what do you suggest? I

 

[pullinbig]

send me a clip. it could be several things. make sure the clip is from the side.

 

[gallmond1977]

send me a clip. it could be several things. make sure the clip is from the side.

thanks, I'll try to get a clip soon. i really appreciate it

 

[Firehawk734]

too much info. once again wsb has no big time pullers (cept vogolpuhl) or benchers 9cept halbert). i can guarauntee that andy bolton, gary frank, ed coan, steve gogins dont use this type of dead lift training (all current world record holders too).

youd have to take your lap top to the gym to keep up with all this shit. if you wanna a big dead lift then pull deads. its not majic. simple stuff. lifting weights is not brain surgery guys. you lift you get stronger. if you have a sticking point in a movement then work that part of the movement.

For the first time, I see a very experienced lifter who doesn't buy into all this complicated crap. I was just thinking the exact words you said when i was reading up through workout routine 3 and then skimmed the rest lol. I agree, if you WORK intensely, you are going to grow and get stronger.

Sometimes I think people forget just how adaptive the body is.

 

[Firehawk734]

here's my philosopohy on lifting and gaining strength/size. "it is simple". you lift you grow. any routine that takes over 30 seconds to read is way to much info. a little common sense always prevails in the end. i have tried every conceivable routine out there over the last several years and i always come back to the basics. loui and that crowd like to hear themselves talk. i can say in less than 1 minute what takes them a 5 page documnet to say. no doubt they know their stuff but its too much for average lifters to keep up with. liftingis suposed to be fun not some damn school project. i watched halberts bench video and was so damn confused after 10 minutes i turned it off and gave it away.

but anyway you posted the article and i shared my experience. guys who are just realizing that strenght training is the way to add muscle are gonna make gains on what ever common sense routine they choose. most wil eventually overtrain on west side unles it is abbreviated. which means what? getting back to the basics. =0)

PullinBig,

This is the second time I've seen you say that strength training will add lots of muscle. I think I read before (correct me if I'm wrong) that people don't realize it but Powerlifters are more heavily muscled than Bodybuilders, only difference is they aren't cut. (Some science freak lol told me that when you strength train you can increase the density of your muscles but they don't get bigger necessarily...is that true, or is that just one part of the big picture?)

I am pretty new, only been training for about 1 1/2 yrs consistently, and my body really responds alot better to reps in the 4-6 range, and I have a feeling even lower too but I haven't tried it. Ive stuck primarily with max ot for almost a full year, and then recently just changed to a 5 x 4 routine. I am trying to cut my fat down though, at about 25% now, 6'3 270 lbs.

When I decide to bulk, would it be a mistake to switch to doing sets of 8 reps? Should I stick with rep ranges even as low as 3 - 5 reps? Can you direct me to maybe some of your old simple strength/size routines that you have somewhere?

Would appreciate it.

 

[pullinbig]

PullinBig,

This is the second time I've seen you say that strength training will add lots of muscle. I think I read before (correct me if I'm wrong) that people don't realize it but Powerlifters are more heavily muscled than Bodybuilders, only difference is they aren't cut. (Some science freak lol told me that when you strength train you can increase the density of your muscles but they don't get bigger necessarily...is that true, or is that just one part of the big picture?)

I am pretty new, only been training for about 1 1/2 yrs consistently, and my body really responds alot better to reps in the 4-6 range, and I have a feeling even lower too but I haven't tried it. Ive stuck primarily with max ot for almost a full year, and then recently just changed to a 5 x 4 routine. I am trying to cut my fat down though, at about 25% now, 6'3 270 lbs.

When I decide to bulk, would it be a mistake to switch to doing sets of 8 reps? Should I stick with rep ranges even as low as 3 - 5 reps? Can you direct me to maybe some of your old simple strength/size routines that you have somewhere?

Would appreciate it.

1st off you aint been to any PLing lifting meets if you dont think PLers are cut. a lot of the lifters have to make weight so its very cvommon ot see lifters below 10% bf at meets. thewre are several PLers that do shows as well.

lifting heavy steel builds muscle like nothing else.

cutting/bulking dont have a lot to do with lifting. it envolves calories and cardio with the emphasis on calories.

heres a post from earlier this year.

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30846&page=6&pp=25

 

[Firehawk734]

No, I have never been to a PL meet. I guess generally I see powerlifters with guts lol . Just learned something though. Thanks for the info.

 

[pullinbig]

No, I have never been to a PL meet. I guess generally I see powerlifters with guts lol . Just learned something though. Thanks for the info.

you can have a gut and be cut. look at coleman. those guts come from heavy core work. heavy deads and squats. sure there are some sloppy guys in the heavier classes but for the most part most guys are fairly lean.

 

[Firehawk734]

Do you train your abs directly or do you let squats/deadlifts take care of them?

I'd like to attend a PL meet very soon. There's one coming to Monroe, MI Feb 4th, may go to that.

Also, do lifters do meets even if they just have a low deadlift compared to the real big lifters, just to say that they've DONE ONE, or to get theiir feet wet? Or would that be laughable to the rest?

 

[pullinbig]

no one laughs at the new guys. we all started somewhere. in fact the new guys get the most attention generally at local meets by the expereinced lifters. do a meet. you will never regret it. nothing kicks up the training better than training for a meet.

 

[Toranaga]

you can have a gut and be cut. look at coleman. those guts come from heavy core work.

ronnie would be so happy with that.

"growth hormone.....what's that ?"

"insulin abuse ..... "

 

[Toranaga]

The gut is definitely exacerbated via heavy squatting and deadlifts. There ARE many though whose shape and symmetry are enhanced since squatting/DLs are beneficial in more ways than they are detrimental to the gut. Case in point is Needsize: check out his midsection.

 

[pullinbig]

ronnie would be so happy with that.

"growth hormone.....what's that ?"

"insulin abuse ..... "

torango how much gh and slin you done? how come all BBers dont have distended abs? cmon bro be real here. sure the juice plays a part but without heavy core work they aint gonna grow, just like any other muscle. seems as if you got more opinions than experience.

 

[Toranaga]

torango how much gh and slin you done? how come all BBers dont have distended abs? cmon bro be real here. sure the juice plays a part but without heavy core work they aint gonna grow, just like any other muscle. seems as if you got more opinions than experience.

Put your reading glasses on and read my post just above (quoted for your reference below):

The gut is definitely exacerbated via heavy squatting and deadlifts. There ARE many though whose shape and symmetry are enhanced since squatting/DLs are beneficial in more ways than they are detrimental to the gut. Case in point is Needsize: check out his midsection.

Can you decipher that or should I write it in simpler language bro ?