Dianabol question - chemical name?

[gkixxerr]

I googled dianabol and the chemical name Methandrostenolone popped up. As far as I know this is the actual chemical name for dianabol.

Why is it I see on some of the sites I visit that claim they sell steroids have the chemical name for dianabol listed as metandienone?

How can it be the same drug if they have two different names?

Hope this isn't too stupid of a question, but it is something that has been on my mind.

 

[safety-man]

I googled dianabol and the chemical name Methandrostenolone popped up. As far as I know this is the actual chemical name for dianabol.

Why is it I see on some of the sites I visit that claim they sell steroids have the chemical name for dianabol listed as metandienone?

How can it be the same drug if they have two different names?

Hope this isn't too stupid of a question, but it is something that has been on my mind.

same shit.

 

[drewbolic]

Metandesenolone (D-anabol 25)

Dianabol / D-bol (methandrostenolone)

Profiles - Steroidology.com

use the profiles

 

[Mr. Humdiddly]

I googled dianabol and the chemical name Methandrostenolone popped up. As far as I know this is the actual chemical name for dianabol.

Why is it I see on some of the sites I visit that claim they sell steroids have the chemical name for dianabol listed as metandienone?

How can it be the same drug if they have two different names?

Hope this isn't too stupid of a question, but it is something that has been on my mind.

Actually understanding the answer to this takes superior mental processing. Trying to explain it is even harder. Take the easy way out and just accept they are interchangeable or continue on and try to understand a difficult concept from someone who is not a very good teacher.

As you are probably aware the Systematic (IUPAC) name for methandrostenolone is
(8S,9S,10S,13S,14S,17S)-17-hydroxy-10,
13,17-trimethyl-7,8,9,11,12,14,15,16-
octahydro-6H-cyclopenta[a]phenanthren-3-one

While the chemical formula remains the same:

C20H28O2

Of primary importance is the process utilized to make methandrostenolone c17 alpha alkylated. Thus the 17th carbon molecule is altered to allow first pass through the liver. Now of course carbon bonds are covalent. Further more carbon bonds can have alkenes or double bonds, or alkynes which are triple bonds.

An sp2 hybridized orbital and a p-orbital that is inert with regards to the hybridization are what is used to from a double bond. Conversely an sp hybridized orbital and two p-orbitals are used for a triple bond from each atom. Thus the use of the p-orbitals to form a pi bond is basic logic.

Now that the basic explanations are covered lets dive a little deeper. This is where it gets tricky due to catenation (Thank god only carbon does this). The alteration of the c17 has differing effects. In some cases it comes out tertiary. The original formula introduced by John Ziegler was of course quartenary. Now this differentiation causes changes in the p-orbitals and sometimes engages previously inert p-orbitals to take a part in hybridization. Thus causing metandienone.

Sorry if that was not very clear it is kind of hard to explain and I am not a good teacher.

 

[safety-man]

Actually understanding the answer to this takes superior mental processing. Trying to explain it is even harder. Take the easy way out and just accept they are interchangeable or continue on and try to understand a difficult concept from someone who is not a very good teacher.

As you are probably aware the Systematic (IUPAC) name for methandrostenolone is
(8S,9S,10S,13S,14S,17S)-17-hydroxy-10,
13,17-trimethyl-7,8,9,11,12,14,15,16-
octahydro-6H-cyclopenta[a]phenanthren-3-one

While the chemical formula remains the same:

C20H28O2

Of primary importance is the process utilized to make methandrostenolone c17 alpha alkylated. Thus the 17th carbon molecule is altered to allow first pass through the liver. Now of course carbon bonds are covalent. Further more carbon bonds can have alkenes or double bonds, or alkynes which are triple bonds.

An sp2 hybridized orbital and a p-orbital that is inert with regards to the hybridization are what is used to from a double bond. Conversely an sp hybridized orbital and two p-orbitals are used for a triple bond from each atom. Thus the use of the p-orbitals to form a pi bond is basic logic.

Now that the basic explanations are covered lets dive a little deeper. This is where it gets tricky due to catenation (Thank god only carbon does this). The alteration of the c17 has differing effects. In some cases it comes out tertiary. The original formula introduced by John Ziegler was of course quartenary. Now this differentiation causes changes in the p-orbitals and sometimes engages previously inert p-orbitals to take a part in hybridization. Thus causing metandienone.

Sorry if that was not very clear it is kind of hard to explain and I am not a good teacher.

yeah i was gonna say that but...

 

[Mr. Humdiddly]

Metandesenolone (D-anabol 25)

Dianabol / D-bol (methandrostenolone)

Profiles - Steroidology.com

use the profiles

Good call Drew but he was actually talking about metandienone not metandesenolone. When I first saw this I thought the same thing you did.

 

[BCCS]

Actually understanding the answer to this takes superior mental processing. Trying to explain it is even harder. Take the easy way out and just accept they are interchangeable or continue on and try to understand a difficult concept from someone who is not a very good teacher.

As you are probably aware the Systematic (IUPAC) name for methandrostenolone is
(8S,9S,10S,13S,14S,17S)-17-hydroxy-10,
13,17-trimethyl-7,8,9,11,12,14,15,16-
octahydro-6H-cyclopenta[a]phenanthren-3-one

While the chemical formula remains the same:

C20H28O2

Of primary importance is the process utilized to make methandrostenolone c17 alpha alkylated. Thus the 17th carbon molecule is altered to allow first pass through the liver. Now of course carbon bonds are covalent. Further more carbon bonds can have alkenes or double bonds, or alkynes which are triple bonds.

An sp2 hybridized orbital and a p-orbital that is inert with regards to the hybridization are what is used to from a double bond. Conversely an sp hybridized orbital and two p-orbitals are used for a triple bond from each atom. Thus the use of the p-orbitals to form a pi bond is basic logic.

Now that the basic explanations are covered lets dive a little deeper. This is where it gets tricky due to catenation (Thank god only carbon does this). The alteration of the c17 has differing effects. In some cases it comes out tertiary. The original formula introduced by John Ziegler was of course quartenary. Now this differentiation causes changes in the p-orbitals and sometimes engages previously inert p-orbitals to take a part in hybridization. Thus causing metandienone.

Sorry if that was not very clear it is kind of hard to explain and I am not a good teacher.

Wow...I actually understood that, I guess a knowledge of organic chemistry can come in handy once in a while.

 

[Mr. Humdiddly]

Wow...I actually understood that, I guess a knowledge of organic chemistry can come in handy once in a while.

Glad I didn't write it for nothing. How did I do at explaining it?

 

[BCCS]

Quite well I thought, however anyone without a basic knowledge of chemistry and electron orbital hybridization was probably scratching their head.

 

[scotimusprime]

I don't scratch my head when humdidly explains stuff, I just give him some gree,exit the thread and open a new one haha

 

[safety-man]

I don't scratch my head when humdidly explains stuff, I just give him some gree,exit the thread and open a new one haha

lmao! well put! if it were not for having to spread rep around id probably green mr.h on every post. his post are either educational or well played with humor, and sometimes both.

 

[gkixxerr]

Actually understanding the answer to this takes superior mental processing. Trying to explain it is even harder. Take the easy way out and just accept they are interchangeable or continue on and try to understand a difficult concept from someone who is not a very good teacher.

As you are probably aware the Systematic (IUPAC) name for methandrostenolone is
(8S,9S,10S,13S,14S,17S)-17-hydroxy-10,
13,17-trimethyl-7,8,9,11,12,14,15,16-
octahydro-6H-cyclopenta[a]phenanthren-3-one

While the chemical formula remains the same:

C20H28O2

Of primary importance is the process utilized to make methandrostenolone c17 alpha alkylated. Thus the 17th carbon molecule is altered to allow first pass through the liver. Now of course carbon bonds are covalent. Further more carbon bonds can have alkenes or double bonds, or alkynes which are triple bonds.

An sp2 hybridized orbital and a p-orbital that is inert with regards to the hybridization are what is used to from a double bond. Conversely an sp hybridized orbital and two p-orbitals are used for a triple bond from each atom. Thus the use of the p-orbitals to form a pi bond is basic logic.

Now that the basic explanations are covered lets dive a little deeper. This is where it gets tricky due to catenation (Thank god only carbon does this). The alteration of the c17 has differing effects. In some cases it comes out tertiary. The original formula introduced by John Ziegler was of course quartenary. Now this differentiation causes changes in the p-orbitals and sometimes engages previously inert p-orbitals to take a part in hybridization. Thus causing metandienone.

Sorry if that was not very clear it is kind of hard to explain and I am not a good teacher.

I do have a basic knowledge of chemistry, but in order to understand that, I would probably have to have had more of an education in that area. Lol, but I don't.

You sound like you really know what you're saying, so is Dianabol (Methandrostenolone) and Methandienone the same thing?

Someone has already said they are, but I just want someone to second that. Who better than yourself?

 

[pandawithcancer]

Glad I didn't write it for nothing. How did I do at explaining it?

you did very well explaining it actually lol

 

[Mr. Humdiddly]

I do have a basic knowledge of chemistry, but in order to understand that, I would probably have to have had more of an education in that area. Lol, but I don't.

You sound like you really know what you're saying, so is Dianabol (Methandrostenolone) and Methandienone the same thing?

Someone has already said they are, but I just want someone to second that. Who better than yourself?

Yes they are the same. Read the third line of the original post.

 

[gkixxerr]

Yes they are the same. Read the third line of the original post.

Thank you. I'm giving you some rep