Do anti-e's hinder gains?

[Dlove]

I didn't get real bad water retention from anadrol and test. Im runnin another cycle in a week of d-bol 30mg 1-5, test 1-14 500mg's and deca 400mg's 1-13. I heard that anti-e's effect gains made in the gym. Is this true? Do they prevent you from being as strong as you would without them?

 

[Spartie]

I do not notice any negative effects on my gains from ant-e's when I use them. Some say they experience this, but I am skeptical. I believe its minimal and unnoticable at worst. I rather use them to effectively control sides then not.

 

[Dlove]

I do not notice any negative effects on my gains from ant-e's when I use them. Some say they experience this, but I am skeptical. I believe its minimal and unnoticable at worst. I rather use them to effectively control sides then not.

What would you suggest using with the cycle I descibed?

 

[Spartie]

I would think about running Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) at 300-500ius every 4 or 5 days, that will keep the old gonads up to par, thus recovery may be easier. Start week one of your cycle and stop at last inject...do not use Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) into PCT.
I also suggest that you have B6 (vitamin) on hand in case you get gyno from deca. If so, then take 200mg of B6 three (3) times a day. Anti-e's do not work on Deca, Tren, and other Prolactin side AAS.
Also have Nolvadex and maybe Clomid on hand for proper post cycle therapy (pct). Nolva will also help with any Test gyno you may incurr.
For bloat and estrogen I suggest having Arimidex on hand. Do not use these compounds unless you actually have sides to battle (with the exception of the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and then Nolva/Clomid for PCT).
Look these all up under drug profiles for more info and dosing ideas.

 

[Dlove]

I saw letro on here and was thinking about picking some up. You say dont take them unless sides come about?

 

[RichGenetics]

The Arimidex can mess with your lipid profile, aka cholesterol. I just figured this all out myself not too long ago.

I am running .25mg every day because I don't want to have any sort of water weight on my dbol, cyp, tren cycle. I was going to be taking 1mg per day, but was talked down to .5mg, then talked down to .25mg a day.

You can always up it to .5mg if you like.

 

[Zylo]

My bro' always runs Nolvadex throughout all his cycles and if they are definatley not hindering his gains

 

[RRAdam]

so many opinions!

yes, estrogen helps your gains (on the anabolic side)

nolva actually raises your estrogen levels... dex and letro can hurt your gains, but if the bloat is exceptional, than it may be worth it.

 

[Deep South Chris]

so many opinions!

yes, estrogen helps your gains (on the anabolic side)

nolva actually raises your estrogen levels... dex and letro can hurt your gains, but if the bloat is exceptional, than it may be worth it.

im not sure if nolva actually increases estrogen, its a SERM, it stops the estrogen from binding with the breast tissue helping to prevent gyno.

as stated, estrogen is necessary for gains, but to much can lead to the sides, and not enough can lead to lipid profiles taking a shit. using to much of a true anit-e like (Arimidex, Letro) is what lowers estrogen levels by stoping the conversion process of test to estrogen during the metabilization process

 

[BigRonWannabee]

im not sure if nolva actually increases estrogen, its a SERM, it stops the estrogen from binding with the breast tissue helping to prevent gyno.

as stated, estrogen is necessary for gains, but to much can lead to the sides, and not enough can lead to lipid profiles taking a shit. using to much of a true anit-e like (Arimidex, Letro) is what lowers estrogen levels by stoping the conversion process of test to estrogen during the metabilization process

I was under the impression that nolvadex was in fact a weak estrogen or estro analogue. Thus a rise in estrogen levels.

 

[Deep South Chris]

I was under the impression that nolvadex was in fact a weak estrogen or estro analogue. Thus a rise in estrogen levels.

maybe, thats why i said i wasnt sure if it raises levels..but what i learnd it was an receptor inhibator...if im wrong i stand corrected and learned something new

 

[RJ]

I took Adex during my 6 month cycle at .25mg E4D and my HDL was at 26 at the end of it when I got my bloodwork done. It never pulls that much water off of me and i usually just counter any possible gyno with it, SO, I am going to just have Nolva on hand from now on for gyno and ditch the Adex.

 

[BigRonWannabee]

maybe, thats why i said i wasnt sure if it raises levels..but what i learnd it was an receptor inhibator...if im wrong i stand corrected and learned something new

what you said was correct.

 

[StoneColdNTO]

I took Adex during my 6 month cycle at .25mg E4D and my HDL was at 26 at the end of it when I got my bloodwork done. It never pulls that much water off of me and i usually just counter any possible gyno with it, SO, I am going to just have Nolva on hand from now on for gyno and ditch the Adex.

I think you would have found even without the Arimidex during that cycle, your HDL would still have been very low. Steroids will lower one's HDL way more than a low dose of any AI.

 

[needsize]

If you run an anti e that stops water retention like arimidex, then it can hurt your gains as the water leads to more strength gains, thats why I only run nolva on my cycles

 

[Dlove]

If you run an anti e that stops water retention like arimidex, then it can hurt your gains as the water leads to more strength gains, thats why I only run nolva on my cycles

I have heard this ooutside the board from an old friend of mine. I fiqured it would since the water helps promote stregth. I didn't take an anti-e last time when I ran anadrol and test and I saw great strength gains and dont want to take anything to alter those gains this time.

 

[Millineum Man]

If you run an anti e that stops water retention like arimidex, then it can hurt your gains as the water leads to more strength gains, thats why I only run nolva on my cycles

Needsize, so how much Nolvadex do you use throughout the cycle? Would 10mgs of Nolvadex ED be Ok with this cycle? I don't want to totally eliminate the water retention. Just want to stay a little on the dry side. I don't believe the "Nolvadex Hinders Gains" theory.

Test Enanthate@500mgs/wk
Dbol@20-25mgs ED

 

[Dlove]

Needsize, so how much Nolvadex do you use throughout the cycle? Would 10mgs of Nolvadex ED be Ok with this cycle? I don't want to totally eliminate the water retention. Just want to stay a little on the dry side. I don't believe the "Nolvadex Hinders Gains" theory.

Test Enanthate@500mgs/wk
Dbol@20-25mgs ED

Nolvadex doesn't eliminate water retention at all. People take it to fend off gyno.

 

[pux888]

it does for me, and i dont care who says it doesnt. its all ive ever used up until lately.

 

[mister69]

Hey needsize, how many mg of nolva do you run daily while on cycle?

I have heard of people running 10mg but some say that 10mg isnt enough so they go ahead and run 20mg.

If you run an anti e that stops water retention like arimidex, then it can hurt your gains as the water leads to more strength gains, thats why I only run nolva on my cycles