Doc trying to take me off trt because of high hematocrit
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Thoroughbred72
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Halfwit,
Yes, I already know alot of the stuff you picked apart in my last post. I'm not here to provide studies, and separate all kinds of info as to what causes this, and whether or not they are related. Why do some people on here want to go into separating tons of detail and act like they are writing for a medical journal that is going to be published to physicians for review?
Yes, I know that hematocrit and blood pressure are not related. I didn't say they were. But, in TRT, they tend to appear simulatenously. And, Yes, I was turned away, because the blood donation place said that my blood pressure was way to high to give blood. They specifically stated that giving blood at that rate of blood pressure would be VERY harmful to my heart and could case immediate cardiac infarction or something a little less severe, but still serious. I did NOT say 'cardiac arrest.' I wrote, 'heart attack.' Do I actually KNOW if that would happen? NO, I DON'T. I'M NOT A DOCTOR. I only wrote that because that's what they told me; and I wrote 'heart attack;' which is MYOCARDIAL INFARCTION, not CARDIAC ARREST. Those are completely two different things.
When it comes to the blood donation center that turned me down, due to taking TRT, which they called "STEROIDS," and due to a very high hematocrit, and a very high blood pressure, they center was called 'Kentucky Blood Center.' And, YES, I know that they cannot make the diagnosis of polycythemia, and that diagnosis is for a medical doctor only. I ALREADY KNOW ALL THAT, I only wrote what they turned me away for. They even went so far as to tell me, "Even if you get a prescription from your doctor, we will not use your blood, because you have the blood disease of polycythemia." I was so pissed, I felt like telling them how much of an idiot they were, but I held my tongue and walked out with my dignity intact.
When it comes to the PCT, I didn't necessarily write that HCG and Clomid would be taken together. HCG should be injected almost immediately after the last Test injection and that should continue for about 2-4 weeks. After that, most of the exogenous test will be out of the body, and then Clomid will be taken after that. Clomid CAN and WILL still work together WITH the HCG, but it depends on if a person wants to do that. Especially, if the person was taking nandrolone decanoate. It takes a long time to restart the HPTA to get working again, if nandrolone was taken for a period of time.
Also, when it comes to PCT, I can't believe you've never heard of this? Where have you been? I know of a TRT doctor, who is very well respected and highly recommended, and his protocol for TRT, is not life long prescriptions of test. He uses the test to get their levels back up for a while, then prescribes Clomid for several months, to get the natural occuring test levels up to a good healthy dose. Clomid acts like jumper cables for the HPTA. Then after several months of Clomid, he takes them off of that, and prescribed a specific diet plan, exercise, and continued lifestyle to keep the natural test production going. He does NOT keep people on test injections their whole life, in general. And he will not keep prescribing Clomid because it's very liver toxic. That's why people cannot simply take Clomid all the time for TRT, because they liver cannot handle it. And by the way, there is still a lot of controversy, as to whether or not someone should just use HCG for TRT. I think it's important to note, that there a LOT of medical doctors and medical scientists that are completely against injecting test for TRT, and I truly believe that the whole TRT industry is just a lucrative money making scheme, that brings in a lot of cash, when it is unnecessary. Many believe that is nothing but a pharamacutical scam.
I appreciate the trait of someone wanting to be super accurate, but let's stop trying to act like physicians. I didn't go into more detail about all this different points because I was only trying to throw out some things that needed to stated. The original poster of this question needs to get with someone who is knowledgeable enough to help him with the issues he is facing.
Yes, I already know alot of the stuff you picked apart in my last post. I'm not here to provide studies, and separate all kinds of info as to what causes this, and whether or not they are related. Why do some people on here want to go into separating tons of detail and act like they are writing for a medical journal that is going to be published to physicians for review?
Yes, I know that hematocrit and blood pressure are not related. I didn't say they were. But, in TRT, they tend to appear simulatenously. And, Yes, I was turned away, because the blood donation place said that my blood pressure was way to high to give blood. They specifically stated that giving blood at that rate of blood pressure would be VERY harmful to my heart and could case immediate cardiac infarction or something a little less severe, but still serious. I did NOT say 'cardiac arrest.' I wrote, 'heart attack.' Do I actually KNOW if that would happen? NO, I DON'T. I'M NOT A DOCTOR. I only wrote that because that's what they told me; and I wrote 'heart attack;' which is MYOCARDIAL INFARCTION, not CARDIAC ARREST. Those are completely two different things.
When it comes to the blood donation center that turned me down, due to taking TRT, which they called "STEROIDS," and due to a very high hematocrit, and a very high blood pressure, they center was called 'Kentucky Blood Center.' And, YES, I know that they cannot make the diagnosis of polycythemia, and that diagnosis is for a medical doctor only. I ALREADY KNOW ALL THAT, I only wrote what they turned me away for. They even went so far as to tell me, "Even if you get a prescription from your doctor, we will not use your blood, because you have the blood disease of polycythemia." I was so pissed, I felt like telling them how much of an idiot they were, but I held my tongue and walked out with my dignity intact.
When it comes to the PCT, I didn't necessarily write that HCG and Clomid would be taken together. HCG should be injected almost immediately after the last Test injection and that should continue for about 2-4 weeks. After that, most of the exogenous test will be out of the body, and then Clomid will be taken after that. Clomid CAN and WILL still work together WITH the HCG, but it depends on if a person wants to do that. Especially, if the person was taking nandrolone decanoate. It takes a long time to restart the HPTA to get working again, if nandrolone was taken for a period of time.
Also, when it comes to PCT, I can't believe you've never heard of this? Where have you been? I know of a TRT doctor, who is very well respected and highly recommended, and his protocol for TRT, is not life long prescriptions of test. He uses the test to get their levels back up for a while, then prescribes Clomid for several months, to get the natural occuring test levels up to a good healthy dose. Clomid acts like jumper cables for the HPTA. Then after several months of Clomid, he takes them off of that, and prescribed a specific diet plan, exercise, and continued lifestyle to keep the natural test production going. He does NOT keep people on test injections their whole life, in general. And he will not keep prescribing Clomid because it's very liver toxic. That's why people cannot simply take Clomid all the time for TRT, because they liver cannot handle it. And by the way, there is still a lot of controversy, as to whether or not someone should just use HCG for TRT. I think it's important to note, that there a LOT of medical doctors and medical scientists that are completely against injecting test for TRT, and I truly believe that the whole TRT industry is just a lucrative money making scheme, that brings in a lot of cash, when it is unnecessary. Many believe that is nothing but a pharamacutical scam.
I appreciate the trait of someone wanting to be super accurate, but let's stop trying to act like physicians. I didn't go into more detail about all this different points because I was only trying to throw out some things that needed to stated. The original poster of this question needs to get with someone who is knowledgeable enough to help him with the issues he is facing.
Thoroughbred72
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I meant to write, "and THEY believe that the whole TRT industry is just a lucrative money making scheme." I wrote, "I believe," and realized it after I posted it. I don't believe that, but there are a lot of physicians that do. Sorry for the typo.
cbburrr
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When I was shopping around for online TRT clinics I did come across one outfit in FLA that offered a 2 months on one month of clomid program. When I asked them to explain they countered with " you dont want to be on TRT your whole life do you"
This place seemed like I was talking to bros at the gym, not Dr's PA's or even guys like Thoroughbred or halfwit.
When telling me what they offered, they explained that I will get adex in my kit "so as I dont grow bitch tits."
This place seemed like I was talking to bros at the gym, not Dr's PA's or even guys like Thoroughbred or halfwit.
When telling me what they offered, they explained that I will get adex in my kit "so as I dont grow bitch tits."
halfwit
I like turtles.
So you want me to just bro-science up the place? Look, I stated in the very first reply that your post was inaccurate and wanted to provide clarification for other readers. I even made sure to state that there wasn't any condescension or malice implied.
You replied with more inaccuracies, to which I tackled each item offering scientific facts to back up my statements. I even offered to provide more information if you felt I left anything unclear, to which I received the reply that you know everything I'm stating (which is the opposite of what was initially stated) and that I must somehow not understand how things work as some Internet doctor has been cycling folks on TRT for some time.
I suspect that trying to debate this further with you will only result in me losing my calm disposition as I do have a limit on patience, especially when the answers are but a search away backing me up. So with that said, I'm just going to have to agree with Tron and caution readers from delving too deeply into your advice.
For the record, this became quite apparent when the discussion of semantics over a heart attack (start result) and heart cessation (end result) are brought up. I don't hold any ill will, but I do think you've been greatly misinformed over the years. I strongly encourage you to take the time to learn how to read medical studies and go through some - you'll learn for yourself that you've just been greatly misled.
Alright, back to work.
bigben66
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You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.... not only are you talking utter claptrap with regard to hematocrit.... but you are way off with your opinion of the current use of HCG.
Instead of offering up advice on a topic that you clearly know nothing about, I respectfully suggest you educate yourself and take on board what more knowledgeable members are saying.
Milton
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good advice thanks.
Thoroughbred72
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I don't discount that I might have been misinformed. It's true that I am writing from what other physicians have informed me, or what advice I have been given. Some of it, is from medical studies though. However, my stance on all this stuff is this; I am always right, even when I'm wrong.
So, my reply to some of this stuff is summed up in a small detailed vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jv4CcuwrKvA
So, my reply to some of this stuff is summed up in a small detailed vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jv4CcuwrKvA
Thoroughbred72
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Last post was not serious, but I had to take advantage and just throw in some humor. Well, unless things have changed a great deal since I have started TRT, things are the same as I was trained. As a matter of fact, one of my close friends, who was a practicing physician working out of a major hospital/clinic, who prescribed TRT, and who is now a head chairman of the medical school of Va Tech, in Blacksburg, is someone that I compared notes and had many in depth, medical discussions regarding the physiological changes, side effects of TRT. We only focused on testosterone administration, not on all the other anabolics that some use, where there is little to no verified medical research on those subtances in the US.
Thoroughbred72
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Alright so, where to go for some more accurate info for administration of test, HCG, and other such things?
halfwit
I like turtles.
The sticky FAQ in the TRT section is a very good start, and should at least point you in the right direction.
