Doctor has me on Trazodone for sleep i feel horrible

[synonymous]

I've been on a cocktail of drugs for many years. At one point it could've been anything. I knew nothing of TRT, low test or high E2. Then things got worse when I was on 5000iu per week of hcg as part of my protocol. I know the anxiety and how bad it gets.

First, if you can't lower your e2 with meds then (And someone correct me if I'm wrong) you'll have to either cut down on your test injections or spread them out even more. However, I would give Adex another go and see how that helps with your anxiety. It did wonders for me within the first week. I was at a point I didn't want to go to work because I knew I'd get all panicy. I didn't want work finding out because I thought I'd get fired. I would power through those days.

Second, if you've been on any type of sleep aid you're going to have to taper off unless you want some serious withdrawals, which can lead to serious anxiety attacks and in some cases, depending on how long and at what dose, cause seizures and death. It's scary. Doctors can be quite clueless about proper tapers as well. There are support forums for those that are looking to taper. You'd basically look at the dosages your taking of your current meds, find the equivalent in diazapam, then taper off diazapam. Diazapam can be broken down into much smaller doses with smaller pills. It also stays in the body longer so you don't get inter-dose withdrawals. More information on that if you want, just let me know.

As far as what works without the use of Adex, I think that's going to be dependent on the individual. You gotta play around with it. I know I'm not in any sort of sweet spot, but I'm getting there.

 

[Alpin]

Solid advice SYN..
Damn 5000 iu per week of HCG ?
How high was your estradiol?
I use to dose ADEX E4Ds while using HCG in my protocol.
Way too far apart a dose. I know for fact when I was on 1000 iu a week of HCG as hrt when younger I dosed adex EOD and looking at labs my Estradiol never went below 78 pmol/l.
This is not crashed and a pretty good E2 level.

 

[Daniel_IMT_Staff]

Trazadone has worked fine for me in the past. Melatonin is my preferred sleep aid however.

 

[maxxmill17]

Is anybody here using a low enough dose
Of Test that they are able to keep E under
40 without anti E ?
I took 80mgs Sunday and plan to drop
To 50 or 60mgs Thursday then do a sun/thur
Injection each week
My anxiety is out of control all day long

 

[Alpin]

Is anybody here using a low enough dose
Of Test that they are able to keep E under
40 without anti E ?
I took 80mgs Sunday and plan to drop
To 50 or 60mgs Thursday then do a sun/thur
Injection each week
My anxiety is out of control all day long

80 mg x 2 a week will aromatize well.

 

[synonymous]

Solid advice SYN..
Damn 5000 iu per week of HCG ?
How high was your estradiol?
I use to dose ADEX E4Ds while using HCG in my protocol.
Way too far apart a dose. I know for fact when I was on 1000 iu a week of HCG as hrt when younger I dosed adex EOD and looking at labs my Estradiol never went below 78 pmol/l.
This is not crashed and a pretty good E2 level.

E2 was 120 for a long time. Caused all sorts of problems I can now attribute to E2.

Is anybody here using a low enough dose
Of Test that they are able to keep E under
40 without anti E ?
I took 80mgs Sunday and plan to drop
To 50 or 60mgs Thursday then do a sun/thur
Injection each week
My anxiety is out of control all day long

I'm going in to see what my labs look like on Thursday. Currently I'm on 125mg test split into 2 shots (Mon, Thu). On the same days I do 500iu hcg (Total 1000iu for the week). I would take 0.25g Adex the day after the injections. This is my current protocol. If my E2 is within the normal range, I'll be sticking to this. If it's below, which I doubt, then I'm going to drop some of the Adex and figure things out from there. The more I know about my own protocol and the sweet spot, the more I'll share. Just keep in mind, just because it works for me doesn't mean it'll work for you.

Also, with your anxiety so high, you might want to look into whether or not you have issues outside of TRT that are contributing to these feelings. I have a live-in-mother-in-law that is my BIGGEST stress inducer. She's bed ridden, but she pushes everyone's buttons to the point, I kid you not, I thought I was having a heart attack. Learning to deal with that helped bring my total anxiety down. E2 levels dropping with Adex made me feel normal again.

 

[Alpin]

Whats wife say bout her SYN ?

 

[Alpin]

Anyone here experience headaches with elevated or lower E2?

 

[methos]

Methos how did you lower your E?
And actually are most of you guys
Taking similar T dose as me? And if so How much
Adex and how often. Thank you all for the
Previous input.

Maxmill. I lower my E2 with Arimidex. My protocol is dialed in and it's very different than most. I take 100mg Test Cyp every 5 days. I take 1mg of arimidex the night I pin and also the night after. I also take 25 mg of Danazol nightly to lower my SHBG and therefore raising free T. Most of my fellow TRT friends would crash their E with my protocol. But I seem to aromitize T into E more than most. My total T stays around 1100. I have tested bloodwork every 3 months for 4 years to dial myself in and learn everything I can. I used to have insomnia, anxiety attacks, extreme tiredness, low libido. Now I am so much better it almost seems to good to be true. The frequent blood work has helped a lot, I also keep a daily spreadsheet log about dosages, weight, bf%, how I feel etc. Without my notes I would have never been able to get dialed in.

 

[methos]

Anyone here experience headaches with elevated or lower E2?

Yes. I am a lifetime migrainer I used take at least 10 to 15 injections of imitrex per month just to survive. That's why I started all this TRT stuff. Cutting E2 down to normal levels decreased my migraine frequency by about 30%. High estrogen seems to be the culprit of so many issues that I think it needs more attention that low T. Anxiety, rood rage, insomnia, energy etc. All high E2. Just my opinion but I have enough personal experience to really think I know this one.

 

[maxxmill17]

I went with .60 e3d idea
I took shot Thursday 9:30 am

Timing of next shot 12pm Sunday work ok?
I don't want to take shot to late in day
Thinking could stimulate body and risk
Not sleeping later

 

[synonymous]

Whats wife say bout her SYN ?

Man...she died the day after I post that. Cremation was today. Stress levels MAXED OUT. She didn't go peacefully either. Funeral costs are fooked up in Japan. So I'm guessing my E2 now is through the roof. When she was alive (Which was less than a few days ago, sounds weird) my wife had it much harder than I did. She was her last living relative. Her father passed about 8 years ago and she has no brothers, sisters, aunts or uncles. She's got me and my side of the family. She's stressed but she can sleep naturally, I can't. I still take my meds.

Sorry to distract from the topic...back on topic.

@Max, I think you're going to have to play with your dosages. If you are definitely not going to take Adex then lowering your dose and upping your frequency is about as good as it gets. Try it for a month, get tested. If E2 is within a good range, you've found what works. If it sucks, change it up a little more.

 

[Megatron28]

I went with .60 e3d idea
I took shot Thursday 9:30 am

Timing of next shot 12pm Sunday work ok?
I don't want to take shot to late in day
Thinking could stimulate body and risk
Not sleeping later

Testosterone is not a stimulant. It will not affect your sleep if taken late in the day or in the evening.

 

[Megatron28]

Man...she died the day after I post that. Cremation was today. Stress levels MAXED OUT. She didn't go peacefully either. Funeral costs are fooked up in Japan. So I'm guessing my E2 now is through the roof. When she was alive (Which was less than a few days ago, sounds weird) my wife had it much harder than I did. She was her last living relative. Her father passed about 8 years ago and she has no brothers, sisters, aunts or uncles. She's got me and my side of the family. She's stressed but she can sleep naturally, I can't. I still take my meds.

Sorry to distract from the topic...back on topic.

@Max, I think you're going to have to play with your dosages. If you are definitely not going to take Adex then lowering your dose and upping your frequency is about as good as it gets. Try it for a month, get tested. If E2 is within a good range, you've found what works. If it sucks, change it up a little more.

I am sorry to hear about your wife. Try to hang in there.

 

[Southernfish]

Man...she died the day after I post that. Cremation was today. Stress levels MAXED OUT. She didn't go peacefully either. Funeral costs are fooked up in Japan. So I'm guessing my E2 now is through the roof. When she was alive (Which was less than a few days ago, sounds weird) my wife had it much harder than I did. She was her last living relative. Her father passed about 8 years ago and she has no brothers, sisters, aunts or uncles. She's got me and my side of the family. She's stressed but she can sleep naturally, I can't. I still take my meds.

Sorry to distract from the topic...back on topic.

@Max, I think you're going to have to play with your dosages. If you are definitely not going to take Adex then lowering your dose and upping your frequency is about as good as it gets. Try it for a month, get tested. If E2 is within a good range, you've found what works. If it sucks, change it up a little more.

Jesus man, sorry to hear about that, that's terrible, hang in there!!!

 

[Daniel_IMT_Staff]

Man...she died the day after I post that. Cremation was today. Stress levels MAXED OUT. She didn't go peacefully either. Funeral costs are fooked up in Japan. So I'm guessing my E2 now is through the roof. When she was alive (Which was less than a few days ago, sounds weird) my wife had it much harder than I did. She was her last living relative. Her father passed about 8 years ago and she has no brothers, sisters, aunts or uncles. She's got me and my side of the family. She's stressed but she can sleep naturally, I can't. I still take my meds.

Sorry to distract from the topic...back on topic.

@Max, I think you're going to have to play with your dosages. If you are definitely not going to take Adex then lowering your dose and upping your frequency is about as good as it gets. Try it for a month, get tested. If E2 is within a good range, you've found what works. If it sucks, change it up a little more.

Sorry to hear that. Stay strong!

 

[Alpin]

Sorry to hear. Prayers sent.

 

[synonymous]

Sorry if I confused anyone, it was my mother-in-law that died. My wife is fine, considering.

Thanks though!

 

[Alpin]

I figured that was the case. Prayers sent.
Was she kind to you, did you get along well?

 

[synonymous]

I figured that was the case. Prayers sent.
Was she kind to you, did you get along well?

Hard to explain but long story short, extremely selfish. When my wife accomplished anything she would credit herself for bringing her up properly. When my wife didn't go with the grain she was 'not my daughter'. When she found out she had Parkinson's syndrome she saw that as her opportunity to do nothing for the rest of her life. She would get into yelling matches with my wife. We just wanted her to try and she was perfectly capable of living with this disease. It was that pain she put on my wife that got me pissed off and for the last 5 years I resented her.

We put our lives on hold for her, spent most of our money on her. She really needed a 24 hour care facility, we just couldn't afford it. My wife also felt very responsible and 'needed' to see it through to the end. I think had we gotten more help she would still be alive today. Had she been in a 24 hour facility she'd probably be happy right now. I cried my tears over the last years of her life so I have no tears for her now. My wife though, she's suffering. It's more taking care of her now. Hopefully she can move past this.