Does anyone take Kratom to help with recovery and also tren sides

[Rida5d]

This advice is only for experienced users who know how they react to various compounds... soo this isn't a suggestion for people on their first cycle to utilize this type of methodology..

Testosterone is the most important and most unwanted compound of all - (In every cycle we do need testosterone as a base to maintain all the functions that testosterone is used for; however when levels are raised higher then what is needed to maintain healthy levels the side effects seem to skyrocket at this level)

Let's say this is someone 3rd cycle and they are interested in putting on as much LBM as possible - and in the past they've used deca, test, and EQ and know how all 3 of these compounds react..

This person is planning to run around 1g of AAS a week

he can decide to run either

1g of testosterone or 750mg test / 250 deca

or

250mg testosterone and 750 EQ/Deca a week

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Not only will the cycle with less test avoid tons of estrogen related sides, it would also leave you more anabolic... it's the same type of reasoning as high tren low test----


I've came to the conclusion that dosing and timing are very important when it comes to planning a cycle especially for a fitness competitor or anyone who is trying to maintain relatively lean physique while trying to increase LBM

Well to answer ur question , it depends about the person and his preferences ..
Why do u think 1 g of test is less anabolic than 250 mg test And 400 mg deca?
That was the question..
Now mg to mg , I could agree with u , some compounds are more anabolic than the others.

 

[Gfunkmanilla]

Being addicted to opiates sucks . From what I've read I'm not the only one here who has struggled. Actually the gym has helped me stay away from that old lifestyle I used to live. And I may or may not have had a choice in the matter....18 with cancer . Had to live my life somehow, but years and a few rehab stints later I have found a better and more fulfilling way of life without opiates. OP, Imagine what you could be without using kratom everyday ..... If you were really 265 and ripped you could have your pro card without the dope. Real life experience talking here .

 

[Therealkozmo]

I've been dope sick from kratom a couple of times. I use it for legitimate medical purposes. Ok recreational is fun too. I used it for my back. Queefy well I won't even get started with that

 

[Queefer]

I don't beleive queef for a second.
If I could ban his ip I would.

Believe what you want . I started the thread "National super heavy answers questions" and I took plenty of time to answer members questions , and did so with respect, which you know nothing about.I was pinhead and I was here long before your shit talking self.

Being addicted to opiates sucks . From what I've read I'm not the only one here who has struggled. Actually the gym has helped me stay away from that old lifestyle I used to live. And I may or may not have had a choice in the matter....18 with cancer . Had to live my life somehow, but years and a few rehab stints later I have found a better and more fulfilling way of life without opiates. OP, Imagine what you could be without using kratom everyday ..... If you were really 265 and ripped you could have your pro card without the dope. Real life experience talking here .

Ive gone way past my bodybuilding expectations. My goal at 40 years old was to do well in a local competition. I then won the state super class three years in a row and went on to get 2nd in the JrUsa's. I quit drinking alcohol 5 years ago and have never had a drop since. I love my life and I love my family and friends. I choose to use kratom at times and do so for various reasons . It is a legal substance and I believe in its uses.

 

[Gfunkmanilla]

Pinnhead, that's a name I haven't seen in a while. Damn

 

[Teutonic]

it would appear I owe u an apology if those title s are correct sir. I also WISH u could find your old password and I would not have popped off as I did but members were complaining to me that this was turning into a pro opiate thread which is NOT allowed.

As long as ya ll keep this cool and don t react like I, the asshole did.carry on.

OP...I apologize. Bear in mind the amount of b s I get sent and infinite requests I have to deal with on finite time and less patience.

I stand oh so corrected.

 

[Teutonic]

gfunk
kozmoqueef

I too was an opiate abuser but never popped a veign but in the line of duty I was crippled physically and mentally and lost 3 years of sanity and memory..180 10 mg lortabs plus 120 zan bars a month will do that...the gym this forum a son being born and then dying to an o d and coming back at 163 pd s...got me straight.

We need to wrap this up or I ll move it.

 

[Queefer]

gfunk
kozmoqueef

I too was an opiate abuser but never popped a veign but in the line of duty I was crippled physically and mentally and lost 3 years of sanity and memory..180 10 mg lortabs plus 120 zan bars a month will do that...the gym this forum a son being born and then dying to an o d and coming back at 163 pd s...got me straight.

We need to wrap this up or I ll move it.

Thank you buddy for apologizing, that's what a gentleman does when he's wrong. I apologize too as I wasn't trying to make this in to a pro opiate thread. I was just trying to open a discussion about what I believe is a beneficial substance. Just like anything kratom can be abused, but it has legitimate uses also which I was trying to demonstrate.

I personally do not have any experiences with k being abused, unless the extract was used, and I encourage guys not to take that on a regular basis. I have been addicted to many substances, including alcohol from age 18. 5 years ago I went into rehab and cleaned up and like I mentioned earlier haven't had a drop in 5 years, thanks to aa and na and also the gym.

At that time I started to compete and have ever since. I was introduced to K because we have a kratom bar in town and quite a few fellas from na were going there, so I checked it out. I have been using it off and on from that point, and have never increased my dosage, nor felt the need to, because taking more does not get me high. It puts me in a better mood, and helps give me energy.

I have been privy to seeing many guys come off of oxys and suboxone and even now I have a friend using it to stop crystal meth. I acknowledge that certain individuals could potentially abuse it, but I just havnt seen it first hand.

Those who say they have had issues with it, I totally understand where you are coming from and also thank you for sharing your experiences because it is important to know both sides of the issue before making a judgment. Thank you again for treating me with respect in the last two post, I really appreciate that..

Ps: sounds like you are a great and appreciative father. My 12 year old son is the coolest guy I know and my bestest buddy.

 

[Teutonic]

We all have had our demons sir. I am trying to work on my last 2; impatience and an extreme prejudice against lazy people. I will not hi jack YOUR thread but will answer the title s original query with ...Nope..I have not.

I wish you a very good day sir and thank you for acknowldgig my offer to be civil in all our future interactios. I may not agree w u but I will defend your right to differ in opinions.

MY SON SAVED MY LFE.

PM me and I ll tell you how.

 

[Therealkozmo]

When you wrote kozmoqueef I thought you were trying to combine us

Queef I don't have issue with you. I am one to call people out and it was the ideas that were put out there. You seemed adamant that your body doesn't adjust to what you put in it. If you stopped using kratom you will experience withdrawal symptoms. Your ability to push through is a different matter. Now you were saying that it aids in recovery. I still disagree but am willing to discuss.

I'm not saying I'm not an asshole I'm saying I do attend assholes anonymous meetings.
I am definitely not saying I am against your kratom or any other drug use. I believe in personal liberty I also beleive that it is prudent thAt one truly acknowledge the chemical reactions that take place in your body. When it comes down to it we are all just chemical reactions.

 

[3J]

this thread is getting out of line... put an end to it or ill close it..

teutonic.. your patience has gotten alot better.. i would have closed this shit yesterday.. lol

 

[Therealkozmo]

If he closes it we may never find out if it enhances recovery. Then where would we be. I don't think you want to be responsible for that

 

[3J]

ohh the calamity!!

 

[Queefer]

If you reduce the stress in your life and sleep better, you will recover faster. If my mom stops her depression meds, she will experience withdrawal symptoms. I am not saying k is not addictive. I am saying there are beneficial uses .

 

[Therealkozmo]

I do agree. The only thing I am not sold on is an opiate alkaloid boosting recovery. I say this because opiates are said to be damaging to testosterone. So while you may feel less stressed it doesn't mean you have less stress hormones in your body it just means you don't feel it. Take alcohol as an example. A lot of people use it as liquid courage. Is it from raised test. No science says it lowers test by raising estrogen. Or phytoestrogens which your body looks at as practically the same thing. What is happening is supposedly lowered inhibitions. Meaning you merely think in a different way. Science is only theories but if the theories continue to work humans start calling it a fact. If it actually working for you I am all for it. I just feel you are basing it on bro science meaning you haven't done enough experiments to say it really aids. Placebo is a mother and if it is working for you for real well I will participate in more kratom experiments myself.

 

[Queefer]

I do agree. The only thing I am not sold on is an opiate alkaloid boosting recovery. I say this because opiates are said to be damaging to testosterone. So while you may feel less stressed it doesn't mean you have less stress hormones in your body it just means you don't feel it. Take alcohol as an example. A lot of people use it as liquid courage. Is it from raised test. No science says it lowers test by raising estrogen. Or phytoestrogens which your body looks at as practically the same thing. What is happening is supposedly lowered inhibitions. Meaning you merely think in a different way. Science is only theories but if the theories continue to work humans start calling it a fact. If it actually working for you I am all for it. I just feel you are basing it on bro science meaning you haven't done enough experiments to say it really aids. Placebo is a mother and if it is working for you for real well I will participate in more kratom experiments myself.

It's pretty simple man. . While taking tren, its easy to become agitated and sleep becomes difficult. Kratom helps counteract some of these negative effects.

 

[Therealkozmo]

It's not pretty simple man. I am done with this thread because you mental development is not on par with the people I want to communicate with. Good luck with your drug habit

 

[Queefer]

It's not pretty simple man. I am done with this thread because you mental development is not on par with the people I want to communicate with. Good luck with your drug habit

Good luck to you buddy.