Does anyone think starting before 1-2 years could be a good idea?

[AestheticAF]

Info
Male
25
5'10"
128lbs-142lbs in the last month or so
~15% bf (no calipers, going to buy some, sources?)

Workout: SS. Just started adding assistance - chin ups and dips/pushups both after each workout. Probably gonna add some curls and pullovers. Likely I'll mix it up.

Diet: has been see food (counted for first couple weeks, was doing about 4k-4.5k calories on weekdays, not bad! weekends...were shit, but can eat now) and 3/4 GOMAD. Realizing I need to slow the fuck down fast or I'll be one of the guys complaining about their stupid first bulk. Aiming for around 3k starting today. Eat mixed veggies and fruit everyday. Getting my protein in pretty easily. Get my sleep every night. Could easily go without drinking alcohol/partying for a few months.

History: lifted for about 3 years, stopped 2.5 years ago or so. Was mainly doing BB type splits, 5 days a week on average probably (kinda hard to remember). Saw decent results in that time, but definitely could have been better if I had known more. Went from around 130lbs skinny DYEL to a pretty solid 160lbs (probably more than 30lbs LBM added). Always clean bulked, didn't think about dirty bulking or cutting, just ate and worked out. Learned a lot for sure. Learning tons now doing SS.

Goals: strength, but mainly aesthetics. Do not want to get huge. Do want to get bigger and look better than I have before by next summer. I know I cannot get to 170lbs and around 15%bf by next summer natty (which is sort of a goal).

Question
Alright, just wanted to provide an adequate background, hopefully I haven't missed anything important. If I have, please point it out.

I want to get bigger faster. I'm not that young anymore, I know my natty test is probably much lower than it was when I lifted a few years ago. Is doing test really that bad of an idea? I'm not saying I'm ready right now, there's tons I need to learn, but is waiting 1-2 years really necessary? If I did a ton of research (I'm very science oriented, studied physics at uni) could I possibly start in a few months, or is this absurdly ignorant?

I don't want to wait til I reach my natty potential. I don't even know what that is. People say 2 years. Others say they lifted for 10 before they hit it. I don't even want to go beyond my natty potential (I think the max weight I'd ever want to be is around 200lbs, but even that might be high and that's nothing I'm aiming for any year soon). I simply want to give my return to working out a boost start (bigger than the one I'm already getting from nooby gains) and get bigger faster. Are steroids really only for people looking to get bigger and stronger than what is naturally possible? If you think so, why?

Finally, are the chances of hurting yourself really high doing it so early in the game? Do you have studies/data to support this claim?

Alright, I've said my piece. Lay some knowledge on me brahs. And thanks in advance for your help.

 

[84BATA]

One of the big reasons why you absolutely should wait... besides the fact that you are nowhere NEAR you natty limit, nor hitting a plateau at that weight, Issss you want to lift natty and eat like a beast for a few years to strengthen and grow your tendons. Your muscles will grow at a much faster rate then your tendons on AAS. You would basically be asking for a torn muscle/tendon. Bottom line everyone is going to tell you to wait, train hard and eat like a beast for a couple more years. And btw not hating but looking at your stats there is no effing way in hell you were taking that amount of calories in! Just keep eating and hitting the weights!!! Good Luck!

P.S. how tall are you?

 

[AestheticAF]

Ahh damn! Knew I forgot something. 5'10".

As stated, I don't want to get above my natty potential. That might be most lifters' reason for pinning, but that doesn't interest me (at least now).

The tendon thing I have heard about, which is why I asked if there are any studies or data supporting this. Couldn't a workaround be to simply not lift all that much heavier? Do more volume and all. I know that doing this, I would still get much bigger than lifting heavy natty.

I absolutely did eat like that. Decided I didn't want to be a pussy, started a flowchart and ate til I hurt. Then kept eating. Didn't let myself go to bed til I hit 4k. Stopped counting closely after 1.5 weeks, but I was definitely still getting ~4k-4.5k. I was also sick for 1.5 weeks in there so that slowed progress. From everything I've read, there's no reason to continue to eat like that unless I want to get fat/strong. But I'm after aesthetics moreso, and doing the math, it makes more sense to go slowly.

Here was my second day of my diet. Probably was only eating around 2400 calories before this (cause I steadily dropped weight from 160 to 128 over 2.5 years). Number at the bottom is total calories. Also, I wouldn't count little things like the 2 bites of burger just to make sure I wasn't cheating.
Shake 510
Banana 105
Chinese Sesame Chicken 300
Chinese General's Chicken 300
Fried Rice 333
Lo Mein 300
Fries 250
2 Bites Turkey Burger
1.5 Butterfinger Funsize 130
Hideaway Chix Alfredo 600
Bacon 83
Garlic Bread 400
Shake 440
Shake 440

4191 total

Oh, one last thing, I also work on the weekends and often don't get to eat nearly enough, so you're right, my totals/week were much lower bc of the weekend, but I'm finally getting breaks and food at work now.

 

[84BATA]

Honestly I think all you need is a little help from 3J to meet your goals!

 

[AestheticAF]

Haha, everyone on here really likes 3J. Respect.

I saw him post somewhere that he could help a noob gain 1-2lbs LBM per week. From everything else I've read, that's simply not possible -- max being around .5lb/week. I'm not doubting I could look much better come 6 months, but gaining another 30lbs after having already gained 10 and staying low bf simply isn't possible without chemistry.

I do appreciate the feedback though, and definitely will take in to consideration. I mean, if nobody thinks it could be a good idea, then I'm not going to do it. I really just haven't seen this issue brought up on any forums -- someone specifically NOT wanting to go past their natty potential, simply wanting to hit it faster and that is past their early 20's.

 

[Iron Giant]

*slow clap* you might be light, but you're not one of these reckless kids I see who is tired of being small and just ignores advice and hops on the juice. The tendon issue is definitely a serious concern (sorry, I don't have any supporting articles saved on this...learned it in uni). I'm not saying you have to be at your genetic limit to touch AAS, but without a solid foundation your putting a lot of strain on your body. You've had 2.5 years off, one advantage you currently have is you'll make gains as if you were a beginner for the next 6 months-1 year. That much time off means the days where you gained 2-3 Lbs/month are back (for a limited time). I would not use AAS at this point, hell with your goals you don't even need it! You should be able to pack on 10Lbs or so by summer naturally if your training and diet are there (beginner gains ). I think if you keep at it natty then you'll reach your goals - might not be by the summer, but by next summer it very well could be. Good luck, have fun.

 

[donjob]

Haha, everyone on here really likes 3J. Respect.

I saw him post somewhere that he could help a noob gain 1-2lbs LBM per week. From everything else I've read, that's simply not possible -- max being around .5lb/week. I'm not doubting I could look much better come 6 months, but gaining another 30lbs after having already gained 10 and staying low bf simply isn't possible without chemistry.

I do appreciate the feedback though, and definitely will take in to consideration. I mean, if nobody thinks it could be a good idea, then I'm not going to do it. I really just haven't seen this issue brought up on any forums -- someone specifically NOT wanting to go past their natty potential, simply wanting to hit it faster and that is past their early 20's.

wrong, you can gain 2 pounds a week of lbm. newbie gains. high calories, as clean as you can get em. lift hard and heavy. i guarante in a month you could put on 8 pounds. i don't care what articles say. i did it. also you won't get fat. you get fat from consuming more calories than your body uses for fuel and to rebuild muscle. if you have a high metabolismas it is, and you are lifting, you may not be eating enough. don't worry about getting fat. you weigh 160. fuckin eat dude!

 

[AestheticAF]

wrong, you can gain 2 pounds a week of lbm. newbie gains. high calories, as clean as you can get em. lift hard and heavy. i guarante in a month you could put on 8 pounds. i don't care what articles say. i did it. also you won't get fat. you get fat from consuming more calories than your body uses for fuel and to rebuild muscle. if you have a high metabolismas it is, and you are lifting, you may not be eating enough. don't worry about getting fat. you weigh 160. fuckin eat dude!

You read that wrong. I'm only 140 after bulking. Decided to not pin I'm pretty sure. Next semester I'm gonna be super busy and don't want roid emotions get in my way plus I would feel stupid if I couldn't hit the gym enough.

Btw how old were you when you started lifting? Im older so I won't have as much test as someone who is in there teens. Are you sure putting on 2 lbs or more a week is a good idea?

Edit: I know I can eat enough. I think my problem before was just not eating often enough, but I'm rather good at stuffing my face. 2pm here (woke up around 9:30) and I'm over 2k calories.

 

[Iron Giant]

Btw how old were you when you started lifting? Im older so I won't have as much test as someone who is in there teens. Are you sure putting on 2 lbs or more a week is a good idea?

I started as a 19yr old fatty personally and was put out for 6 months @ 21 from a MCL tear (Rugby injury). If you can pack 2Lbs/week natty I would say gogogo for as long as you can; you won't be able to maintain that for long anyway...so yes, it's fine (doesn't strain you as much natty as with sauce).

 

[AestheticAF]

I started as a 19yr old fatty personally and was put out for 6 months @ 21 from a MCL tear (Rugby injury). If you can pack 2Lbs/week natty I would say gogogo for as long as you can; you won't be able to maintain that for long anyway...so yes, it's fine (doesn't strain you as much natty as with sauce).

I can put on more than 2lbs/week, it's just that some of that is bound to be fat. Should I really just eat as much as possible? Isn't much of that bound to be fat which will just mean more time cutting later?

 

[Iron Giant]

I can put on more than 2lbs/week, it's just that some of that is bound to be fat. Should I really just eat as much as possible? Isn't much of that bound to be fat which will just mean more time cutting later?

I meant 2Lbs/week lean (which, hey I can't do, but if you can all the power to you). Eat 300-500cal above your TDEE and 1.5-2g or protein per pound of body weight and pack on as much LEAN weight as you can each week.