Does this look like gyno?

[FerrariF50]

Would you agree that progestins can increase prolactin though? Or do you suggest that these hormones are not progestins and increase prolactin through some other mechanism?

there's no data to suggest progesterone increases prolactin
they are two separate hormones that happen to start with the letter P

in fact there is studies showing progesterone decreases and has inhibitory effects on serum prolactin levels

as well nandrolone and tren are androgens, which typically decrease prolactin levels

prolactin is being raised somehow but i've yet to see any reasonable explanation as to why or how

 

[baldie99]

You look fine to me. FYI don't be rubbing them all the time checking for lumps and checking sensitivity, you'll work yourself up because they'll probably get sore from the rubbing. I did it myself and cost me $100 for some aromatase inhibitor I didn't need. also shaving my chest/nips and wearing tight shirt gets em a little sensitive, incase that smooth chest of yours isn't natural.

 

[UnaturaL]

visually you look fine. but the only one who could tell if you glandular tissue is growing is you. just feel deep under the nip from time to time to check if it has gotten bigger.

 

[g1234]

there's no data to suggest progesterone increases prolactin
they are two separate hormones that happen to start with the letter P

in fact there is studies showing progesterone decreases and has inhibitory effects on serum prolactin levels

as well nandrolone and tren are androgens, which typically decrease prolactin levels

prolactin is being raised somehow but i've yet to see any reasonable explanation as to why or how

I am also wondering whats the relation between progesterone and prolactin levels because i dont know either. People keep saying progestins causes another type of gyno caused by prolactin levels, but nobody actually knows the real link between progesterone levels/receptors and prolactin levels, its very different.. i've searched a lot and never could find the answer

 

[g1234]

gogeter the best pose to see if gyno is starting it with arms to the sky just like if you won something or doing to do a pull-up

I've seen competitions where guys looked OK and then when they made that pose you suddenly see the gyno

Look at this: http://www.ibfasport.com/2007/amburgo/55.jpg look the guy on the left compared to the guy on the right

 

[zappaplayszappa]

Man you look skinny why are you on gear to begin with??

 

[gogetter]

im sick right now so im down about 10lbs.

 

[Kane_Red_Machine]

wish you to heal quick.

 

[gogetter]

thanks kane.

Also i have been training alot for Bjj and Thai. that KILLS my muscle regardless of how much a eat. its impossible for me to train MMA and gain mass at the same time. i was 210ish but dropped down a good bit

 

[GymLift]

there's no data to suggest progesterone increases prolactin
they are two separate hormones that happen to start with the letter P

in fact there is studies showing progesterone decreases and has inhibitory effects on serum prolactin levels

as well nandrolone and tren are androgens, which typically decrease prolactin levels

prolactin is being raised somehow but i've yet to see any reasonable explanation as to why or how

My understanding which may be wrong is that nandrolone and trenbolone are progestins in that they attach to the progestin receptor but at the same time they are of course NOT progesterone. I've seen it suggested that with the nor-19 drugs attaching to the progestin receptor, serum progesterone levels decrease. And as you said, progesterone inhibits prolactin so with the lowered progesterone levels, serum prolactin increases.

I probably researched this at one point in time but I don't remember. And I no longer have full access to published study data.

What I do know is that when I use tren, my prolactin levels definitely increase and I definitely lactate.

 

[baldie99]

gogeter the best pose to see if gyno is starting it with arms to the sky just like if you won something or doing to do a pull-up

I've seen competitions where guys looked OK and then when they made that pose you suddenly see the gyno

Look at this: http://www.ibfasport.com/2007/amburgo/55.jpg look the guy on the left compared to the guy on the right

yea that guy's chest looks a little off.....not to mention he looks like the monopoly man on juice

 

[zappaplayszappa]

thanks kane.

Also i have been training alot for Bjj and Thai. that KILLS my muscle regardless of how much a eat. its impossible for me to train MMA and gain mass at the same time. i was 210ish but dropped down a good bit

IMO you shouldnt be using gear bro. IM bigger than you and Im completely natural. IM about 190-195 and I proally wont cycle till I can maintain 215+plus natty.

People on this forum seem its ok for everyone to use gear. Judging by your pics it hardly looks like you work out or eat thus you shouldn't be cycling. Again its my opinion everyone is different. I understand you train mma and all but alot of that is technique and there really isnt need for you to use gear.

 

[stang50]

I don't think you have gyno, look at Aaron Harrison that's what gyno looks like lol

 

[FerrariF50]

My understanding which may be wrong is that nandrolone and trenbolone are progestins in that they attach to the progestin receptor but at the same time they are of course NOT progesterone. I've seen it suggested that with the nor-19 drugs attaching to the progestin receptor, serum progesterone levels decrease. And as you said, progesterone inhibits prolactin so with the lowered progesterone levels, serum prolactin increases.

I probably researched this at one point in time but I don't remember. And I no longer have full access to published study data.

What I do know is that when I use tren, my prolactin levels definitely increase and I definitely lactate.

progestins are not progesterone, though my understanding is that progestins bind to the progesterone receptor where they mimic the actions of progesterone.

9 out of 10 times nandrolone and tren will not cause prolactin issues on their own but will when combined with estrogen via an aromatising steroid such as testosterone

below is a study on tren where serum prolactin levels remain unchanged

1: Res Vet Sci. 1981 Jan;30(1):7-13.

Growth hormone, insulin, prolactin and total thyroxine in the plasma of sheep implanted with the anabolic steroid trenbolone acetate alone or with oestradiol.

Donaldson IA, Hart IC, Heitzman RJ.

The mode of action of the anabolic steroid trenbolone acetate (19-norandrost-4,9,11-trien-3-one-17-acetate) was studied through the endogenous hormonal response of castrated male sheep to subcutaneous implantation of 140 mg of trenbolone acetate and 20 mg of oestradiol both separately and in combination. Radioimmunoassay of delta-4,9,11-trienic steroids and oestradiol-17 beta in plasma confirmed that simultaneous administration of trenbolone acetate with oestradiol led to a significantly greater persistence of oestradiol-17 beta residues in plasma (P less than 0.05) than with implantation of oestradiol alone. Oestradiol treatment increased concentrations of growth hormone and insulin (P less than 0.05; P less than 0.001 respectively) in plasma samples collected weekly. Trenbolone acetate by itself had no significant effect and the oestrogenic response was blocked on the simultaneous implantation of trenbolone acetate and oestradiol (despite higher plasma levels of oestradiol-17 beta with this treatment). Plasma total thyroxine was markedly depressed to 45 per cent of its basal level by trenbolone acetate, alone or with oestradiol (P less than 0.001) and depressed to 80 per cent of basal by oestradiol treatment alone (P less than 0.001). Plasma prolactin was unaltered by the above treatments.

PMID: 7017853 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

 

[gogetter]

IMO you shouldnt be using gear bro. IM bigger than you and Im completely natural. IM about 190-195 and I proally wont cycle till I can maintain 215+plus natty.

People on this forum seem its ok for everyone to use gear. Judging by your pics it hardly looks like you work out or eat thus you shouldn't be cycling. Again its my opinion everyone is different. I understand you train mma and all but alot of that is technique and there really isnt need for you to use gear.

HAHAH SO YOU NEGATIVE REP ME. okay homeboy. first off you dont even know me. let alone do you have much to say with your 30 posts cause you obviously havent been around here much. i work out 5x a week and EAT. you cant judge me by my pic and say im not ready for gear. Ill leave it at that. why dont you post some pics of yourself.

And my training MMA has nothing to do with me juicing. i juiced because i struggled to gain mass. NOT TO FIGHT


Your so cool. why are you on this forum if you dont even juice?

Learning? okay thats what i did too before i juiced. maybe you have some more to do.

ill leave it at this beofre i say something stupid

 

[zappaplayszappa]

HAHAH SO YOU NEGATIVE REP ME. okay homeboy. first off you dont even know me. let alone do you have much to say with your 30 posts cause you obviously havent been around here much. i work out 5x a week and EAT. you cant judge me by my pic and say im not ready for gear. Ill leave it at that. why dont you post some pics of yourself.

And my training MMA has nothing to do with me juicing. i juiced because i struggled to gain mass. NOT TO FIGHT


Your so cool. why are you on this forum if you dont even juice?

Learning? okay thats what i did too before i juiced. maybe you have some more to do.

ill leave it at this beofre i say something stupid

First of I didnt neg rep you so I dont know what you are talking about.

Second ill try to get pics if you want.

3rdly you dont look like you lift period thus I think you shouldn't be using gear.

Thats my opinion dont really care if you take it. You say you cycled before but it hardly looks like it man. You need food not gear imo.