Dr rec'd androgel cycle for 4 weeks, do i need to do a pct?

[FreeMason]

Hey guys

So my endo referred me to this urologist who knows about dealing with fertility issues after having been on androgel/trt.

I told him the main reason I wanted to try testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) was because of low libido. He suggested that i talk to a shrink first before trying testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) because my test levels are around 350-390 which is borderline low. He said libido is low most likely to psychological issues as is the case for most guys.

He said, if you really want to try testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) tho, do it for four weeks, then let me know if it makes you feel better.

What I forgot to ask him is should I take clomid/nolvadex after that four weeks on androgel in order to help kick start my testes back into production, or will that short of a cycle not be that bad for the testes?

Second thing i forgot to ask is, if i do need clomid after a four week cycle of just androgel, how long and how much?

And third, will my natural test continue to produce after i stop with the clomid?

And a fourth question, if i do need a post cycle therapy (pct) after a four week cycle of testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), should i use some hcg?

I'd like to cycle androgel or test cyp injections rather than stay on it all the time since i want to keep my nuts in use and have kids sometime soon. I'd rather not do a full stack of gear because i don't really want to get too big and ripped.

Any comments and advice are welcomed, I am getting really antsy and want to try this stuff just to see if it will make me feel better.

 

[cjw2021]

I highly doubt your doctor will give you Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) or nolvadex or clomid for post cycle therapy (pct). You'll notice the effects of testosterone immediately and libido should pick up dramatically within 4 days. Get him to give you testosterone cypionate 250mg/ml at 1ml. Inject that in your arse and see how you feel. Then take some tribulus or something after to reactivate your nuts. I wouldn't waste time with androgel as it is inferior to something like cypionate which will have you feeling like an animal in the gym within 2 days.

 

[FreeMason]

I highly doubt your doctor will give you Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) or nolvadex or clomid for post cycle therapy (pct). You'll notice the effects of testosterone immediately and libido should pick up dramatically within 4 days. Get him to give you testosterone cypionate 250mg/ml at 1ml. Inject that in your arse and see how you feel. Then take some tribulus or something after to reactivate your nuts. I wouldn't waste time with androgel as it is inferior to something like cypionate which will have you feeling like an animal in the gym within 2 days.

Actually, he will. He said, try out androgel for 4 weeks. And if you do like the way you feel, then we need to start you on clomid.

I figure I can get that stuff and cycle the two. Yea, I'll probably get the injectable test cyp from my endo.

But from my original post, my intent is just to cycle the stuff. I don't want to put on a lot of mass, maybe 5-10lbs tops and I don't want to use androgel every day, year in, year out. Just cycle it.

So, from your response, sir, i gather that after the cycle i could use clomid for maybe 4 weeks after i stop test cyp and my nuts will start working like normal again?

Then when i stop the clomid or tribulus or whatever i use, they'll carry on like normal?

Maybe i should just talk to chip?

 

[cjw2021]

Dude I highly doubt you will notice big gains from androgel. I used 10% T cream which is probably twice as strong as androgel and noticed none of that. You need an injectable that will elevate your levels beyond normal to really notice results fast enough to appear in a cycle in my opinion. Sure having normal T levels will help everything, but androgel is WEAK and most here will laugh at that idea. And it is expensive as fuck. My insurance would only cover like 100$ of it and it was 350$ for a months upply. Compounded T cream twice as strong from the pharmacy is like 20$ for the same amount if that. I pay 6$ for a 2 week supply of cypionate. I repeat...do not waste time with gel.

 

[cjw2021]

I am no expert in PCT because I use unconventional things that no one here uses. Clomid may work and I'd take it if he's willing to give it to you. Take 1000iu Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) once per week while on if doc agrees. But yeah take some tribulus and some GH stimulating amino acids afterwards and you'd probably be fine even without clomid. If you can get it use it tho - I don't know clomid dosing as I've never done it. I have successfully recovered from multiple doctor prescribed testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) cycles via similar ways. Endos are the worst and rarely even give out testosterone. You might as well stick with your current doc and get him to give you cypionate. Do not touch androgel with a 10 ft stick. You might as well drink coffee instead of taking gel. It is like being on a permanent hormone roller coaster or a heroin addict or something who always is waiting for the next fix because the half life is so short.

 

[CHIP WADOWSKI]

MASON.... I respect the fact that cjw2021 says that he is not an expert... that is commendable bro. I truly mean that. I AM AN EXPERT. NOT ONLY AN EXPERT, BUT THE RESIDENT EXPERT ON THIS FORUM, and the only reason your endo referred you to a urologist is because he/she has no clue what the hell they are doing, and the only reason your urologist wants to put you on Androgel is because he/she knows even less about what the hell they are doing. You didn't mention your age. If you are over 30, you need to drop me a phone call and let me actually take care of your issues. Love to help you out, Chief. These quacks that call themselves doctors and "health care providers" get me sick when they take a guy like you and tell you that you need to see a shrink to get a hard on. It disgusts me that they would waste 4 weeks of your life tossing you on some garbage that may raise your levels a few points at best, but will make you want to jump off a bridge because you are getting nothing out of it and you sink deeper and deeper into a depression that they are not educated enough to pull you out of. These fools put patients on gel and cream for ONE REASON.... they do not have the practical knowledge and experience in knowing how and what to prescribe to you to offer you the proper, well balanced, theraputic approach that is needed to make you healthy. Don't waste another 4 weeks of your life and sanity trusting these assholes that refuse to do the right thing for you right from the start, because they are to stupid to also know the proper ancillaries that are needed to keep you on track. post cycle therapy (pct) SHOULDNT EVEN BE A PASSING THOUGHT IN YOUR MIND. 4 week of Androgel is NOT a cycle, is not enough exogenous administration to even cause a shutdown that would require post cycle therapy (pct), and furthermore.... you are trying to get HRT/TRT HELP... not attempting to RUN A CYCLE! Please dont feel that I am directing my exclamation points or ALL CAPS at you... NOT THE CASE. I'm pissed off FOR YOU and dont want to see you let some jackass contribute to an already lousy situation for you, that could easily be fixed with the proper EXPERT knowledge. Call me.

 

[FreeMason]

Hey Chip

So I'm on day 9 of Androgel. And I have to say. I can't feel DICK. Literally. I don't feel shit. I got like a slight buzz the first two or three days of the first week and now that's worn off and I can't feel a fucking thing.

This shit is a joke.

My T levels are borderline low. 390-360, I posted my blood test results on another thread. But my fucking sex drive is fucking gone. Yea, I live with my girlfriend for 2 years now and it was great in the beginning but now it's gone and sex is chore.

Am I better off just getting some viagra/cialis and going to sex therapy...or is test cyp going to help me more than this shitty androgel will?

The docs who prescribed this shit are idiots.

I've read your other posts about how Test Cyp is not an immediate dick stiffener and people assume that T is going to make us animals in the bedroom again. Well, that's all I really care about.

What should I do?

 

[CHIP WADOWSKI]

You should call me and I'll make sure you get all your shit STRAIGHTENED out. (NO PUN/NO HOMO). BUT, I GOT UR BACK...

(NO HOMO, AGAIN) LOL

 

[cash]

all I wanted to say is after 2 1/2 years wasted on androgel, my test levels went from 360 to 180's

get some real help..... you wont regret it