Elysium
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Teutonic
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I can dig it bro...
I am a thinker as in I read A LOT and was looking to see if anyone else saw a potential correlation was all...no offense....intended.
I too LOVE to be entertained but it also sparked my mind s eye....all is not well....H Wood help s keep the mind off the ball usually. I was entertained and reminded of how fucked we are if keep letting the hordes over run us. I been to the 3 rd world... A LOT...and like my little subdivision AS IS bud.
POpinion s are like assholes huh ?
We all got one lol.
I am a thinker as in I read A LOT and was looking to see if anyone else saw a potential correlation was all...no offense....intended.
I too LOVE to be entertained but it also sparked my mind s eye....all is not well....H Wood help s keep the mind off the ball usually. I was entertained and reminded of how fucked we are if keep letting the hordes over run us. I been to the 3 rd world... A LOT...and like my little subdivision AS IS bud.
POpinion s are like assholes huh ?
We all got one lol.
Mprtz
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Not offended at all, sorry if my response was so negative. I thought the movie was very un-subtly supportive of
1) amnesty ( "invalid" = "illegal" )
2) obamacare ( "the citizens of earth need healthcare!" )
3) the narrative on income inequality ( general negative portrayal of the selfish rich as exploiting the poor )
There's been a spate of movies along these lines:
Upside Down ("They take our cheap oil and sell us back electricity we can't afford!")
The Purge (Rich white people kill the poor and ethnic with the support of a right wing government)
V for Vendetta (Movie has it's fans but I put it into the same category)
1) amnesty ( "invalid" = "illegal" )
2) obamacare ( "the citizens of earth need healthcare!" )
3) the narrative on income inequality ( general negative portrayal of the selfish rich as exploiting the poor )
There's been a spate of movies along these lines:
Upside Down ("They take our cheap oil and sell us back electricity we can't afford!")
The Purge (Rich white people kill the poor and ethnic with the support of a right wing government)
V for Vendetta (Movie has it's fans but I put it into the same category)
Teutonic
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Nicely done Sir....I was pleasantlysurprised. And I own V for vendetta. I love to chat with someone who agrreeeees to agree to disagree and can express himself w/o resorting to
Whatever...thank s for wasting my time.
Give it to god.-give exactly WHAT to god ?
What would Jesus do...--never met him.
I did not see that AT ALL....
Elysium--was multi cultural...buy your way up. Rich vs poor. Definitely. However with Finite resources and people infinitely breeding what they can t be feeding...that s not race; it s basic lack of forward thinking, religion run a muck..I M O.
V for Ven- the people will be enslaved if they fear the gov. more than the gov fears us. The western peeps are lulled by compfy live s and H wood helps to keep them satiated and dormant with crap, advertising, pushing they re agenda via video games,movies, Disney Channel pushing inter everything.
There are no poor FAT peeps in Paraguay my friend...yet they still have 6 kids. I do not want them here. Period.
Did not see the other 2 I m afraid. I ve worked and travelled the world but Germany is home so I can only compare how they and us live vs the 3 rd world. I love kids too. But my kid first. We need to work and or drug test welfare people, comb out the lazy wokers comp dead weight and decimate the rank s of like minded lawyers who think being born is entitlement to sit around nd watch cable and eat yourself obese and flap ur gum s on my dime. Enough s enough.
Dead beat dads Forced vasectomy. 2 and 3 gen welfare mom s - tubes tied at 2 self replicating organisms.
But what if the 3 rd kid cures the cold or ...or....
I LL RISK IT.
Whatever...thank s for wasting my time.
Give it to god.-give exactly WHAT to god ?
What would Jesus do...--never met him.
I did not see that AT ALL....
Elysium--was multi cultural...buy your way up. Rich vs poor. Definitely. However with Finite resources and people infinitely breeding what they can t be feeding...that s not race; it s basic lack of forward thinking, religion run a muck..I M O.
V for Ven- the people will be enslaved if they fear the gov. more than the gov fears us. The western peeps are lulled by compfy live s and H wood helps to keep them satiated and dormant with crap, advertising, pushing they re agenda via video games,movies, Disney Channel pushing inter everything.
There are no poor FAT peeps in Paraguay my friend...yet they still have 6 kids. I do not want them here. Period.
Did not see the other 2 I m afraid. I ve worked and travelled the world but Germany is home so I can only compare how they and us live vs the 3 rd world. I love kids too. But my kid first. We need to work and or drug test welfare people, comb out the lazy wokers comp dead weight and decimate the rank s of like minded lawyers who think being born is entitlement to sit around nd watch cable and eat yourself obese and flap ur gum s on my dime. Enough s enough.
Dead beat dads Forced vasectomy. 2 and 3 gen welfare mom s - tubes tied at 2 self replicating organisms.
But what if the 3 rd kid cures the cold or ...or....
I LL RISK IT.
Mprtz
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I think possibly we agree on the whole, but I would not like to see a government with the power to perform involuntary surgery on its citizens.
This is the problem with entitlements. First they are made available to everyone - then they get taken for granted and eventually they become mandatory by law. This applies to schooling, healthcare, childcare, etc. That's a good thing, right? As long as you're comfortable with being told how to live. The experts will decide what's in your best interest.
A government that provides "free" healthcare is a government that will eventually decide how you live and how you die. This may seem like hyperbole, but actually it's inevitable. I've seen it happen in Germany and it is already happening here.
This is the problem with entitlements. First they are made available to everyone - then they get taken for granted and eventually they become mandatory by law. This applies to schooling, healthcare, childcare, etc. That's a good thing, right? As long as you're comfortable with being told how to live. The experts will decide what's in your best interest.
A government that provides "free" healthcare is a government that will eventually decide how you live and how you die. This may seem like hyperbole, but actually it's inevitable. I've seen it happen in Germany and it is already happening here.
Teutonic
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Again...nice. I am Bavarian by birth...Prussian blood. And to keep allowing peeps to continue a non productive life or rather a down right hand out for granted they need addressing.
My taxes are forcing me to be charitable to people I do not know. Welfare was designed to get you on your feet; not on your back to pop out out a raise in entitlements.
My taxes are forcing me to be charitable to people I do not know. Welfare was designed to get you on your feet; not on your back to pop out out a raise in entitlements.
Mprtz
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I'm confused, were you born in Bavaria to parents that came from Prussia? Obviously (as I'm sure you know) there is a big difference between the two, culturally and religiously and enmity between them that continues into the present.
I was born in the south of Germany too... near Lake Constance on the Swiss border. My parents were from western Germany.
ObJoke: Ein Bayer erzählt am Stammtisch: "Gestern hob i gsehgn, wiar a Preiß aus Versehgn a Fliagn verschluckt hod. Iatz hod a im Bauch mehra Hirn ois wia im Kopf!"
I was born in the south of Germany too... near Lake Constance on the Swiss border. My parents were from western Germany.
ObJoke: Ein Bayer erzählt am Stammtisch: "Gestern hob i gsehgn, wiar a Preiß aus Versehgn a Fliagn verschluckt hod. Iatz hod a im Bauch mehra Hirn ois wia im Kopf!"
Teutonic
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Hello HW.
MRPTZ HW ist eienen sehr inteligantes man. Er studiered im Uni fur seinen Doctorate...ich glaube im Arizona. HW-MRPZ. MRPTZ-HW.
Sie konnen deutsch sehr besser als ich schrieben. Der witz war gut !
Mom s folks were from Upper Silesia. I tell folk s Prussia. Most don t get even that. Silesia?????No way I tell folks Bavaria as it was a military base down near there and as I tell Germans I m from " around the New Orleans area"...in reality I m an hour east on the MS Gulf coast. My mom s town was overrun in March of 45 and Oma and 4 girls were left standing in Augsburg; a farmer took them in barely as he had an outbuilding with a stove and dirt floor. Opa was a prisoner via the defeat at Stalingrad. Dad was American born. But the Heinz 's were from Hamburg or Hessen ( ?) and came they over in the 1890 s.
Mama was a fleuchtling; I believe that s how u spell refugee. Dad was usaf and met mama in Heidelberg and was smitten. Oma was NOT happy. But treated him w respect and was golden to us. I m a semi regular visitor to Babenhausen in Bayern where my cousins are.........SVEN UDO HIEKE IRIS HARALD etc.
I love the Lake Constance area...I have been several timesand ex gf hada Aunt in Zurich; she was von Bad-Wutternburg. Is that a correct spelling ?
Very pleasedto chat with you.
MRPTZ HW ist eienen sehr inteligantes man. Er studiered im Uni fur seinen Doctorate...ich glaube im Arizona. HW-MRPZ. MRPTZ-HW.
Sie konnen deutsch sehr besser als ich schrieben. Der witz war gut !
Mom s folks were from Upper Silesia. I tell folk s Prussia. Most don t get even that. Silesia?????No way I tell folks Bavaria as it was a military base down near there and as I tell Germans I m from " around the New Orleans area"...in reality I m an hour east on the MS Gulf coast. My mom s town was overrun in March of 45 and Oma and 4 girls were left standing in Augsburg; a farmer took them in barely as he had an outbuilding with a stove and dirt floor. Opa was a prisoner via the defeat at Stalingrad. Dad was American born. But the Heinz 's were from Hamburg or Hessen ( ?) and came they over in the 1890 s.
Mama was a fleuchtling; I believe that s how u spell refugee. Dad was usaf and met mama in Heidelberg and was smitten. Oma was NOT happy. But treated him w respect and was golden to us. I m a semi regular visitor to Babenhausen in Bayern where my cousins are.........SVEN UDO HIEKE IRIS HARALD etc.
I love the Lake Constance area...I have been several timesand ex gf hada Aunt in Zurich; she was von Bad-Wutternburg. Is that a correct spelling ?
Very pleasedto chat with you.
Teutonic
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Now what would you propose to stop the overbreeders from spilling over our borders. Education ? It s a noble cause but far from doable i m o. With the catholic church so influential and the need for machismo in so many countries down there, where keeping your wife pregnant is a sure sign of virility. Irregardless of an ability to feed whats bred. Or to educate.
The constant aid to Afrika; the dependence on it is unnatural. Desease famine and catastrophies kept them in check. Now modern medicine free food and a natural propensity to lay around and fuck...where does it end.???? Education ? Teach self control ??? lololol. Look at our prisons bro.
I understand historically large families were the norm in some cultures but back in the day most folks were in rural area's. NO NEED for 3 ,5 ,7 ,kids in PUBLIC HOUSING. There are no crop s to pick, berries to gather etc. Mo chllins mean s mo money...shiiieet cuz...I se got me 9 kids with 5 women...child support...what s that ?
I ( and my cousins) have 1 or 2 kids so we and the child can have a nice life and nice stuff. I get zero gov assistance for education as, I have no box to check for any thing free. I am a white male in America. Not a minority in terms of ethnicity, sex or a foreign student. I m not a refugee or a politically oppressed individual either; at least by they re definition. I do not see my doctorate ever being completed as there is NOTHING FREE FOR ME.
The constant warring in many of those countries ? It seems some people can only be kept in check with a dictatorial type of government ???!! Or ?
I both fear and respect Putin. He s about to set up a puppet in Ukraine...that's close to home. He vs Obama. I d like to see them both fight and debate. P would crush our lil lawyer from Harvard who paid NOTHING to go there and will not produce transcripts. I paid for all 3 of my degree s at 9 percent.
Regards-----T
The constant aid to Afrika; the dependence on it is unnatural. Desease famine and catastrophies kept them in check. Now modern medicine free food and a natural propensity to lay around and fuck...where does it end.???? Education ? Teach self control ??? lololol. Look at our prisons bro.
I understand historically large families were the norm in some cultures but back in the day most folks were in rural area's. NO NEED for 3 ,5 ,7 ,kids in PUBLIC HOUSING. There are no crop s to pick, berries to gather etc. Mo chllins mean s mo money...shiiieet cuz...I se got me 9 kids with 5 women...child support...what s that ?
I ( and my cousins) have 1 or 2 kids so we and the child can have a nice life and nice stuff. I get zero gov assistance for education as, I have no box to check for any thing free. I am a white male in America. Not a minority in terms of ethnicity, sex or a foreign student. I m not a refugee or a politically oppressed individual either; at least by they re definition. I do not see my doctorate ever being completed as there is NOTHING FREE FOR ME.
The constant warring in many of those countries ? It seems some people can only be kept in check with a dictatorial type of government ???!! Or ?
I both fear and respect Putin. He s about to set up a puppet in Ukraine...that's close to home. He vs Obama. I d like to see them both fight and debate. P would crush our lil lawyer from Harvard who paid NOTHING to go there and will not produce transcripts. I paid for all 3 of my degree s at 9 percent.
Regards-----T
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halfwit
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Education and incentives are the only "passive" ways to go about population control. Unfortunately, we're doing it ass-backwards here in the US still by giving more hand-outs to the "breeders" by giving them larger government checks due to a larger family.
That, or we take a lesson from China, and forcibly control population through permits and licensing. I hate to say it, but I personally would like to see an IQ test performed before folks are allowed to procreate, but we know that will never happen.
That, or we take a lesson from China, and forcibly control population through permits and licensing. I hate to say it, but I personally would like to see an IQ test performed before folks are allowed to procreate, but we know that will never happen.
anzel
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What we have is unnatural. When you look at organisms they come with set forms of population control. Too much breeding? Disease spreads and kills a bunch. Until there is more space so the organisms dont bump into each other. Then you have the food source ... Over breeding leads to overconsumption and boom you have famine. But humans have a way of getting around this mostly by technology. Take disease for example. One of the best thing ever invented was soap! Washing hands with soap has reduced disease . No other organism can invent soap. But the thing that has kept this whole thing going for way to long is mans ability to feed himself, but to the most unnatural extent.
If it wasnt for technology there never would be 7 Billion humans on this earth..... Not even 2 billion! But its the same technology that Im sure will do us in.
I know fisherman that have 30-40 ft boats that you would consider small time... they cant even find enough fish anymore. These commercial fishing boats are yanking every last living thing outta the ocean! No organism but humans can do this. This is just the tip of the iceberg.
We have the ability to make simple things like soap to complex things like 3D printers but we dont have the ability to use it wisely. Im not saying soap is a bad thing!! Its great LOL, But now you have less disease and a contribution to better living standards which means more people living longer which means more strain on resources that keep us alive. So even with the best of intentions we can unwittingly fuck things up
If it wasnt for technology there never would be 7 Billion humans on this earth..... Not even 2 billion! But its the same technology that Im sure will do us in.
I know fisherman that have 30-40 ft boats that you would consider small time... they cant even find enough fish anymore. These commercial fishing boats are yanking every last living thing outta the ocean! No organism but humans can do this. This is just the tip of the iceberg.
We have the ability to make simple things like soap to complex things like 3D printers but we dont have the ability to use it wisely. Im not saying soap is a bad thing!! Its great LOL, But now you have less disease and a contribution to better living standards which means more people living longer which means more strain on resources that keep us alive. So even with the best of intentions we can unwittingly fuck things up
anzel
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Population control. Its a good idea! The problem is man will fuck that up too. Somehow it will become corrupted and used to wield power and fulfill an agenda. Oh and some how it will definitley mean we have to pay MORE TAXES! They always need more taxes. And if they cant collect the taxes then they will figure out how to lessen what we get and divert it to the fund.
Teutonic
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I agree with some and disagree with others...some enlightened cultures recognize finite resources and either like China make you pay to have more than 1 kid or some parts of Europe ( the only other placed I have LIVED THOUGHI have travelled most of the planet) practice sensible pro creation.
In America if your poor and do not mind living like animal s you have 4,5,6,7 kids and get paid more. Then have them diagnosed with anything and get another check. Religion and some lack of self control on the part of the MAJORITY of cerain demograph s, they breed way beyond they're ability to feed. The Viking s lived in such a harsh climate where the growing season was short and they fanned out...ALL OVER. Russia is named after...as ..to russ..means "to row". Not drought, or famine or anything stopped them from exploring new lands. European s too...
Sure soap modern medicine etc has swollen the pop to 7 billion. You could lose 6 billion and it would not effect me in any way. Look at some ex colonies, which ones flourished when let go of their European Master s? And which continue to spiral down hill. Look at Rhodesia..the bread basket of Africa is a fkn pit now. Some type s need a dictator, chief or king.....it s a historical, statistical empirically proven irrebutable fact.
Look at our prisons. Nature has a hierarchy and a developmental evolutionary way of placing top species or sub species in order..left to write. top to bottom.
Education is key. But even free for some and they choose not to take it as it is work. Some work harder. Some have less control.
FKN FACT.
In America if your poor and do not mind living like animal s you have 4,5,6,7 kids and get paid more. Then have them diagnosed with anything and get another check. Religion and some lack of self control on the part of the MAJORITY of cerain demograph s, they breed way beyond they're ability to feed. The Viking s lived in such a harsh climate where the growing season was short and they fanned out...ALL OVER. Russia is named after...as ..to russ..means "to row". Not drought, or famine or anything stopped them from exploring new lands. European s too...
Sure soap modern medicine etc has swollen the pop to 7 billion. You could lose 6 billion and it would not effect me in any way. Look at some ex colonies, which ones flourished when let go of their European Master s? And which continue to spiral down hill. Look at Rhodesia..the bread basket of Africa is a fkn pit now. Some type s need a dictator, chief or king.....it s a historical, statistical empirically proven irrebutable fact.
Look at our prisons. Nature has a hierarchy and a developmental evolutionary way of placing top species or sub species in order..left to write. top to bottom.
Education is key. But even free for some and they choose not to take it as it is work. Some work harder. Some have less control.
FKN FACT.
anzel
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America has lost it bigtime. I notice now that even conservative politicians will not even go after the abuse of the welfare state any longer, at least not openly say they will. But it used to be a campaign promise for them. "If I get elected I will end free hand outs". Now they go after the last of the middle class with good jobs, to take their money and give it to welfare.
Dont take me wrong, I certainly feel that people who are down and out and especially have kids should get as much help as they need. As long as they truly fell on hard times and are trying to get back. But holy jumping shitballs there are people that make bad choice after bad choice and just keep leaning on the system and they get whatever they need. I was reading some stuff from hundreds of years ago and this one author stated that when more than half a country is getting free loot that country is soon finished.
Dont take me wrong, I certainly feel that people who are down and out and especially have kids should get as much help as they need. As long as they truly fell on hard times and are trying to get back. But holy jumping shitballs there are people that make bad choice after bad choice and just keep leaning on the system and they get whatever they need. I was reading some stuff from hundreds of years ago and this one author stated that when more than half a country is getting free loot that country is soon finished.
Mprtz
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Probably this is the quote you're thinking of:
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy."
Sometimes attributed to Alexis de Tocqueville, but apparently by Elmer T. Peterson.
Probably because of this similar quote by Alexis de Tocqueville:
"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy."
Sometimes attributed to Alexis de Tocqueville, but apparently by Elmer T. Peterson.
Probably because of this similar quote by Alexis de Tocqueville:
"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."
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