Estradiol help please fellas!

[EnhancedAthlete]

First off, hope you all had a fantastic thanksgiving yesterday with family and friends. I have a quick question on E2. I had a blood test from privatemdlabs and my Estradiol came back at 52.3. LH & FSH were both <0.2. I spoke to Chip and we bumped my HCG to 500iu E5D from 250 and we increased my Anastrazole to 1mg E3D as opposed to 1mg E5D. Well, it has been a couple of weeks and my libido has gone, erections no where near as strong and ejaculate volume has also decreased.

I am not having any joint issues or night sweats but I think i may have crashed my Estradiol. What do you guys think?

If 1mg E3D is too much for my system any suggestions on alternative dosing and timing?
Btw, my libido, volume etc were great at 1mg E5D but more was added with the intent of decreasing my estradiol from 52.3 to somewhere around 20-25. I am also on 200mg of Test Cyp E5D. Thanks in advance for all replies.

 

[CHIP WADOWSKI]

first off, hope you all had a fantastic thanksgiving yesterday with family and friends. I have a quick question on e2. I had a blood test from privatemdlabs and my estradiol came back at 52.3. Lh & fsh were both <0.2. I spoke to chip and we bumped my hcg to 500iu e5d from 250 and we increased my anastrazole to 1mg e3d as opposed to 1mg e5d. Well, it has been a couple of weeks and my libido has gone, erections no where near as strong and ejaculate volume has also decreased.

I am not having any joint issues or night sweats but i think i may have crashed my estradiol. What do you guys think?

If 1mg e3d is too much for my system any suggestions on alternative dosing and timing?
Btw, my libido, volume etc were great at 1mg e5d but more was added with the intent of decreasing my estradiol from 52.3 to somewhere around 20-25. I am also on 200mg of test cyp e5d. Thanks in advance for all replies.

well, we gotta get you dialed in bro. So lets give this a shot.....

For the next couple of weeks try decreasing your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to only the day after your test injection. Also, lets try something different with the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG). Lets go with 250iu eod for the next two weeks and see if that gets you back on track.

 

[EnhancedAthlete]

Thanks Chip, I didn't want to disturb you during thanksgiving so I was going to email you Monday but you're a class act brotha. Thanks for the reply and I hope your doing much better and on the way to a speedy recovery.

 

[Zeek]

This post reminds me of a guy in my gym last week.

This guy is doing self testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) using some garbage home brew testosterone that a kid in our gym makes in his bathroom. He doesn't know how the kid makes it but I do

This guy is a successful contractor here in town so he is no idiot nor is he a broke ass. Anyway, he comes to me with a problem that his E2 was pushing 80. He was pressing me for the one thing to take and at what dosage to solve this right away. I tried to explain to him that you can't just put a band aid on and your hormones are fixed. It is complicated, trial and error is involved. Often many things need to be tried to get things just right. I told him to go see a doctor or get with a Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) clinic that is hands on, I'm not dispensing medical advice. I'm going to give him Chips number next time that I see him because after reading a lot of posts you (Chip) are the most "hands on" professional that I've ever run across. Good luck finding someone the day after Thanksgiving to give you almost instant advice on what to do next.

Much respect!

 

[CHIP WADOWSKI]

This post reminds me of a guy in my gym last week.

This guy is doing self testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) using some garbage home brew testosterone that a kid in our gym makes in his bathroom. He doesn't know how the kid makes it but I do

This guy is a successful contractor here in town so he is no idiot nor is he a broke ass. Anyway, he comes to me with a problem that his E2 was pushing 80. He was pressing me for the one thing to take and at what dosage to solve this right away. I tried to explain to him that you can't just put a band aid on and your hormones are fixed. It is complicated, trial and error is involved. Often many things need to be tried to get things just right. I told him to go see a doctor or get with a Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) clinic that is hands on, I'm not dispensing medical advice. I'm going to give him Chips number next time that I see him because after reading a lot of posts you (Chip) are the most "hands on" professional that I've ever run across. Good luck finding someone the day after Thanksgiving to give you almost instant advice on what to do next.

Much respect!

ZEEK... THANKS SO MUCH FORTHE KIND WORDS, BRO. I CAN'T ALWAYS GET TO EVERYONE RIGHT AWAY, ON HERE, BUT I DO MY BEST TO TRY AND KEEP SOME BALANCE. WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT IN THIS FORUM, BRO. I KNOW/REMEMBER HOW EASILY IT IS TO GET FREAKED OUT WHEN YOU THINK SOMETHING IS "OFF" AND YOU NEED TO GET ANSWERS RIGHT AWAY. IT'S A PLEASURE AND AN HONOR TO BE A PART OF THIS GREAT GROUP OF GUYS!

 

[JKB]

Lets go with 250iu eod for the next two weeks and see if that gets you back on track.

Thats the dosage I do with my HCG and works great for me. I can do 1000iu of HCG weekly and it wont do much for me but when I do 250 eod it works the best and keeps my libido rocking and the balls hanging.

 

[maxxmill17]

great post here guys...quick question if his E high wouldnt hcg be adding to that issue ..are you trying to solve that by using low dose more often? sounds like great idea ; i love learing about this stuff

 

[cjw2021]

yes. hcg is good tho it stimulates cholesterol-pregnenolone conversion.

 

[maxxmill17]

can you please explaine that..i thought it just raises estro along with lh,fsh,.

last time i tries hcg was 10 yeard ago and was told to use 1/2 the water and blast the entire bottle in 1 week at end of cycle..all i got was some gyno and no libedo

 

[cjw2021]

HCG will increase estrogen levels. So that might have caused your problems. It's not something you just take the whole bottle of for more results. Not that any of us subscribe to that philosophy here anyway. It stimulates the enzymes that convert chol to preg.

 

[JOWS6]

Sounds like you should focus more on how you are feeling instead of numbers. You said at 52pg/dL of E2 your libido was fine right? So you went from 1mg of Aromatase inhibitor (AI) every 5 days to 1mg every 3 days and your libido went downhill? Try breaking up the capsule and dispense 1/4 of it in a small glass of water everyday. That is equivalent to .25mg's every day (1mg every 4 days). Sounds like a happy medium.

 

[ecdysone]

it stimulates cholesterol-pregnenolone conversion.

That might be important to women, but for men undergoing testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) it is of no consequence.

However, would be nice to know why HCG seems to improve mood for a lot of guys. Would be a great thing for TRT-researchers to study one day.

 

[EnhancedAthlete]

Thats the dosage I do with my Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and works great for me. I can do 1000iu of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) weekly and it wont do much for me but when I do 250 eod it works the best and keeps my libido rocking and the balls hanging.

Thanks for that. I hope this does the trick for me too because at 250iu E5D left my LH and FSH <0.2 that's why we raised it to 500iu E5D but I think 250iu EOD should do the trick.

 

[EnhancedAthlete]

Sounds like you should focus more on how you are feeling instead of numbers. You said at 52pg/dL of E2 your libido was fine right? So you went from 1mg of Aromatase inhibitor (AI) every 5 days to 1mg every 3 days and your libido went downhill? Try breaking up the capsule and dispense 1/4 of it in a small glass of water everyday. That is equivalent to .25mg's every day (1mg every 4 days). Sounds like a happy medium.

You're absolutely right, how I'm feeling should be a much better gauge than a blood test. I'm going to follow Chip's instructions of lowering my Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to 1mg day after test for the next couple of weeks if that doesn't do the trick I would like to get clearance from Chip to do quarter of a pill per day. Thanks once again.

 

[IZZOT]

Thanks for that. I hope this does the trick for me too because at 250iu E5D left my LH and FSH <0.2 that's why we raised it to 500iu E5D but I think 250iu EOD should do the trick.

Correct me if I am wrong but I think no matter what dose Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) you are on your blood work will always show FSH and LH very low. Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) mimics LH to stimulate the testis to produce your own testosterone. Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is not LH nor FSH.

 

[cletus5150]

Correct me if I am wrong but I think no matter what dose Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) you are on your blood work will always show FSH and LH very low. Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) mimics LH to stimulate the testis to produce your own testosterone. Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is not LH nor FSH.

I agree with your statement. I read an Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) study and they had to measure the actual Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) in the bloodstream as it does not register as LH (FSH is not mimicked or contained in HCG)..

Good link to show Docs regarding using Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) concurrently with test injections.

jcem.endojournals.org/content/90/5/2595.abstract

 

[ecdysone]

(FSH is not mimicked or contained in HCG)..

I believe that while Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) does not have a direct FSH effect, it does nevertheless stimulate the same cells that would have been stimulated by FSH. So, in a sense, it acts somewhat like FSH to the testis.

 

[maxxmill17]

enhancedathlete; been about 6 weeks how are you doing with your protocol?

 

[EnhancedAthlete]

Everything is going great. I am taking 1mg Anastrazole day after test shot. Also, I changed my Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) to 250 iu EOD, much better for me. My test is 210 mg Test Cyp E5D. Not going to get too caught up in the numbers on tests anymore as long as they are close to ranges that they are supposed to be in.

My measure of success has been 2 things for the last 4 weeks. First, how I feel and function on a daily basis and second, what I look like in the mirror.

 

[CHIP WADOWSKI]

Awesome to hear bro! Glad we were able to get you dialed in!!