Fiirst cycle for american football player. 500mg test e for 12 weeks.

Through my research I have come to the conclusion that is it a very good idea to use the smallest of steroids that offer the most amount of results with cycles that are very infrequent(like every 2 years). So if I do ever plan on running a cycle again they will very likely consist of low to moderate doses of test very infrequently. This way offers still very very good results, gains are much easier to maintain, you don't rely on the juice, side effects can be minimized, etc Its also a good idea to stay away from orals as well. What do you guys think of this?
 
^^^ Beatz makes great points about what happens in your body before 25. For many reasons, we want the young guys especially, to really research and understand the potential issues that come with AAS use. Everything from a lifetime of low natural testosterone and infirtility to ugly scarring from acne... This may be extreme examples but its important for you to understand on your own what you're getting into.

Yup. Your definitely right there are huge risks involved. But hopefully the way I pursue AAS usage I will be able to minimize these risks. E.g. I got prescription grade acne gels from my source, Human grade test/HCG(the test e I have is stuff you get straight from a canadian pharmacy), low - moderate amount of test cycles very infrequently(if that even if I decide to cycle again), probably going to drive down to the U.S and get blood testing done, etc.

That said, I very much appreciate your goals and appetite for advancing yourself... And your dedication to it is obvious, so I'm glad you're hear asking questions. Your cycle looks good actually. Diet is the most important part of any cycle and given your time frame, there's plenty of time to do a proper bulk followed by a cut (which you can do naturally). If you eat right with a solid macro plan (avoiding the extra sugar and sodium- BTW eating out is LOADED with sodium so start cooking!), you should gain 20 pounds, no problem. \

Yea its definitely better to focus on one goal at a time. Thats the reason why I did a huge cut so I didn't have to rely on the testosterone to lean me out(plus lower bf%=less aromatization

I'm conflicted really, part of me wants to encourage you, because you do seem to have it so well laid out (diet and cycle). The other part of me is screaming, so young!! Ultimately, the choice is yours; and whatever comes after it. Good luck dude and let us know how it goes either way!
Really appreciate this advice! (and anybody else who contributes).
 
Figured i would add a few more points

- Be careful with prescription grade acne shit side effects can be quite harsh otherwise they would be on the shelf best thing to do is honestly shower as much as u can and use non scented soap the reason why acne occurs is from high androgenic activity.
- Looking at the type of weight u lift and assuming u will be doing a lot of strength training while ur skeletal muscle will increase your collagen synthesis won't so maybe someone a little more experienced could comment on that although imo your cycle is a typical starter cycle bodybuilding wise and i'm a guy who would always say keep it simple don't stack early and shit but with ur goals and purpose mayb deca or equipoise low dose could be beneficial and then drop ur test to 400mg/wk
- I just finished my first cycle and was only running 350mg/wk for 6 weeks then 400mg/wk for 6-10 and put on 11-12kg and i have maintained just about all of it due to super strict diet and smart training. So 20+lbs is more than achievable if u want nutrition and workout routine help i am happy to, or u can go to 3J a lot of people go on about how good he is in here probs be a good place to go.
- Don't do longer then 12 weeks, i would recommend 10 weeks the longer ur shut down the harder it is to recover and u could start to feel more fatigue toward the end of a cycle.
 
Figured i would add a few more points

- Be careful with prescription grade acne shit side effects can be quite harsh otherwise they would be on the shelf best thing to do is honestly shower as much as u can and use non scented soap the reason why acne occurs is from high androgenic activity.
- Looking at the type of weight u lift and assuming u will be doing a lot of strength training while ur skeletal muscle will increase your collagen synthesis won't so maybe someone a little more experienced could comment on that although imo your cycle is a typical starter cycle bodybuilding wise and i'm a guy who would always say keep it simple don't stack early and shit but with ur goals and purpose mayb deca or equipoise low dose could be beneficial and then drop ur test to 400mg/wk
- I just finished my first cycle and was only running 350mg/wk for 6 weeks then 400mg/wk for 6-10 and put on 11-12kg and i have maintained just about all of it due to super strict diet and smart training. So 20+lbs is more than achievable if u want nutrition and workout routine help i am happy to, or u can go to 3J a lot of people go on about how good he is in here probs be a good place to go.
- Don't do longer then 12 weeks, i would recommend 10 weeks the longer ur shut down the harder it is to recover and u could start to feel more fatigue toward the end of a cycle.

Thanks for the advice. Deca will cause me to fail drugs test for up to 2 years(from what I read on a forum) so I can't really use that. Just going to stick with the test anyways. The rest of my gear should arrive tomorrow. I am almost all healed up from my injuries I just would like them to be 100% and not come back lol.

I will not be doing any sprinting or plyometrics due to high risk of injuries etc. And I will be very careful/gradual getting back to regular field training/sprinting as well.

My training program is good and I have a lot of knowledge on training. The majority of my exercises for the cycle include power clean, power snatch, back squat, push press front squat, glute hamstring raises, bulgarian split squat, bench press, etc. A very long dynamic warmup and foam roller/prehab stuff and after the workout static stretching. Going to focus a lot on mobility circuits and stretching during this cycle.

The cycle I planned was originally 10 weeks but after I got some advice and extended it to 12. I will see how the cycle goes and decide from there what to do.

Yea man it would be nice to give me some pointers on nutrition. I know a lot about performance nutrition already but I don't know much about nutrition while on AAS.
 
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I should add that I have no problem gaining weight. I can very easily be back up to 225ish in a couple of months without AAS. The problem is I gain way way too much fat.

Ideally for this cycle if I gain/retain 15lbs of muscle and lean out a bit more that would be ideal and I would weigh about 215lbs. This would optimize my speed/vertical and my ability to take impact/hits as well. Also I might add I don't want to weigh anymore than 215lb-220lbs as well.

I really want to be standing jump 35 inches as well. That would be insane!
 
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I will keep everyone updated on the cycles goes. Won't give full details(e.g. full disclosure of training lifts, etc because I would like to remain anonymous) but I will give updates at least every couple of days of how things go.
 
Was supposed to start cycle yesterday (aug 26th). Didn't happen because I have wrong size needles and I still need to learn so much more on how to self inject, avoiding infections, proper needle sizes etc. Been way too busy for the past couple of weeks. There shouldn't be an excuse though for me not knowing this.

I have 30 syringes and needles 3ml 25G 5/8 (0.5mm x 16mm). The needle is 1.6cm in length so I don't think its long enough for intramuscular injection. What size needles do you guys recommend? For the Testosterone E, and HCG.

Cycle should start August 30th.
 
Ok. So this is what gear I have.

6 Bottles of Testosterone Enanthate Delatestryl by Theramed, Canada 5ml 200mg/ml
3 amps of Organon Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), 5000 IU each,

2 Bottles of Aromasin Medistar
2 Bottles of Nolvadex Medistar
1 Bottle of Letro Medistar
1 Bottle of Clomid Medistar


For Acne
Differin XP Cream
Clindoxyl Gel
Antibacterial Soap
 
Looks solid except the post cycle therapy (pct) timing. Start post cycle therapy (pct) after 2nd weeks of last injection, not 4th week. I like to do arimidex .25 ed and tape up or down from there, and its cheaper than aromasin.
 
Looks solid except the pct timing. Start pct after 2nd weeks of last injection, not 4th week. I like to do arimidex .25 ed and tape up or down from there, and its cheaper than aromasin.
That was always the plan. I posted it wrong on this thread. Will edit my post. Surprised nobody pointed that out. Thanks for mentioning that.
 
Lol good news and bad news.

Bad news.
So pretty much put the needle all the way and when I aspirated the plunger was stuck. Then tried injecting and it wouldn't go either. Went over to my sink to pour out the testosterone and it took a very very significant amount of pressure on the plunger into order to get all the testosterone out. So pretty much no testosterone was injected and I stopped. Will try again thursday. Guess the needle diameter is too small? Its 25G. And the withdrawing needle I used to 22G or 21G.

Oh yea I struggled withdrawing the testosterone out of the bottle. I actually withdrew a lot of air out and had to go back and forth. Had trouble knowing if there was still air in the barrel. Didn't know if the air bubbles were out or not.

Oh Yea. I tried to remove air bubbles with the withdrawing needling. I should have just withdrew. More an air space in the barrel. Switched needles.

Had trouble removing air too because when I tried to push the plunger to get the air out there was already testosterone in the needle and coming out.

Advice?

Good news.
Will be super comfortable with future injections.
Injections almost don't hurt.
Know how to fix some of mistakes


Super tried now. Going to Sleep. Will post more details after I sleep.
 
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So to keep it short i started with the same reasonings you had and did play Div 1 football... unfortunately when I started sites like this were not around (or not prominent/easy to find on the new internet thing) so I was not as safe about it as you. I did well but paying the price for not being safe about the process like you are so I'm glad to see you TAKING all these guys' advice.

Advice on the inject issue... heat the test before drawing & injecting. Look up on here how to do it. I still have issues with getting mine heated enough sometimes after all these years but setting the vial in hot water or on a hot plate for a while beforehand should work. if your vial is over 10ml it will take longer (mine is 50ml lol)

If you aspirate and nothing comes back thats a good thing bro... nothing is supposed to come back. You have to push hard on the plunger to move that viscous stuff through a tiny needle.

Good luck
 
You really need to keep in mind the time for how long AAS and other products are detectable in your system. You have time, but you need to keep it in mind and follow a strict timeline. Also, I really don't recommend that you do this cycle, but at least you have planned it all out well. Last thing: EAT. Oh yeah, one more thing: don't forget to EAT.

As for injecting/drawing: I draw with an 18g and inject with a 23g. I have run out of 18g and am having hell drawing with 23g. Don't think of it as wasteful, because you should be swapping needles before you pin anyway. This is because they get dull after going through the stopper. As for the syringe getting stuck today: 1 of 2 things, or maybe both. 1. You still had air in the needle and it was blocking the test from coming out. 2. Your needle is too small of a gauge and is causing issues. When you start swapping needles this will get easier because you will have to pull the plunger back further to swap then you can push all the air out at once. It comes with practice bro.

If you have some more questions I would advise you to post them in the Anabolic Steroid Forum, because it gets more views... and this forum is mostly for logging your cycle. One more thing... Don't forget to eat. lol
 
Go to Utube + watch vids about injections.

a Few steps;
warm test vial in warm water (thins oil)
clean top w/alcohol pad
inject air into Vial - (1cc for 1cc etc)
then withdraw Test -(a little air bubble in pin is good, it will push all oil out @ end).
clean inj area w/alcohol pad
stick in pin + aerate a little
no blood push in oil (try to relax muscle ur injecting)
leave pin in for a few (20-30 seconds) after finished inj
remove pin + dispose of properly
 
Hey guys. I managed to mess up yet another injection again. Got frustrated and I am going to sleep right now as I am insanely tried.

I didn't inject today though. Just wasted some more testosterone. I think the cause of all my problems is I messed up the pressure inside of the vial and when I withdraw the testosterone I am also withdrawing a big amount of air. So its like this. Needle: oil, oil, air, air, air, oil, air, oil barrel: air, air, air, oil, oil, oil oil, oil . So when I try to get the air out a lot of the oil comes out too .

Not good. I shouldnt be making these mistakes.

Cliffs: Having trouble getting oil into the syringe without any air and negative pressure. So I am having trouble getting the needle ready.

Oh yea I am not walking into these injections blindly. I have watched several videos and read walk thru........

Maybe subconsciously I am failing on purpose because I am not very happy with myself (morally) for using these PEDs?

Will update soon and respond to previous posts. Been ridiculously busy and tired.
 
Lol, moral dilemna? You're not under the impression that most of your competing peers are natural, are you?

Also, I didn't say it before, but in regards to your first post: unless you have an explicitly exceptional reason for not playing until 2013, you are making a colossally stupid mistake. All the strength and conditioning in the world doesn't mean shit without technique and experience. You may have been playing since pop warner, but the experience and playtime that comes with even one season (ESPECIALLY if you are at the college level) far outweighs the benefits you'll get from improving your numbers by a plate. This is why everyone juices only during the offseason

Anyway, all that being said, my post sounds pretty antagonizing and negative lol, but I really don't mean it to be. Good luck dude.
 
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