First Cycle Advice

[MrMariusz]

Preparing to go over to the darkside, But I want every base covered before i do, already got my Dbol, waiting on my Test & Deca as well as Nolva...

my stats (if it helps)

age - 21
weight 190
training - 3 years
5'7

I'll just lay these questions out for anyone to help...

1/ I dont have any intention of running all 3 together (deca test dbol) which do you guys think would be the best combination for a beginner? I have heard Deca & Dbol works wonders...but im also hearing a test only cycle for first timers is best

2/ What's the best dosage and duration for dbol?? I cant decide between 20mg ed for 6 weeks or 30mg for 4 weeks? which of these is best for gains and liver protection?


3/ What kinda lbs on the scale are coming my way???


third one is for purely entertainment purposes

 

[HardHittin08]

first cycle is always a test cycle + PCT

 

[mo'primo]

keep it simple and basic....test. subsequent cycles you add one compound at a time. you really should learn how your body responds to what and how much. I wouldn't go more than 10 weeks of test and no more than 500mg/week. some would say even less than that.

you got post cycle therapy (pct) planned?

keep the cycle simple and concentrate more on diet and training. the stickies in the diet and training section are golden plus there are some great vets here.

 

[BIGFOOD]

Test is best. I've run test e only and loved the gains.also ran a deca only and loved those too. Deca gains for me were pretty incredible. I'm fixing to start a test e/ deca as soon as i get my post cycle therapy (pct) together. Good luck.

BIGFOOD

 

[HardHittin08]

my first cycles was 10 weeks of sust with pct... i was pretty excited and nerved up at the same time...thats usually how the first cycle is.....like a kid on Xmas morning haha

 

[omerta]

excellent second thread big mario ive given rep

 

[MrMariusz]

keep it simple and basic....test. subsequent cycles you add one compound at a time. you really should learn how your body responds to what and how much. I wouldn't go more than 10 weeks of test and no more than 500mg/week. some would say even less than that.

you got post cycle therapy (pct) planned?

keep the cycle simple and concentrate more on diet and training. the stickies in the diet and training section are golden plus there are some great vets here.

I know what you mean about Test only first time round, It's just I have these blue heart dbols which I have already posted about and im hearing so much about how amazing they are I just cant wait to pop them, A lot of guys i know are on INSANE amounts of gear and they have no proper post cycle therapy (pct) or anything and they seem to be fine that's why I genuinely do believe I can run the dbol and test together first time round, as i said in another thread a guy i know has been on the gear for 5 months straight now, he's been on test dbol deca anadrol that i know for sure and god knows what else...and here's me im gonna do test for 10 weeks and dbol for 4-6 with proper PCT....So you can see why i think i'm gonna be okay...

PCT?...I've ordered my nolva off the same guy who I'm getting my gear from, I'm not planning to start my cycle until it comes...

as for training and diet n all that I pretty much have it all covered, I'd be lying if i said I was training to my full potential right now, I have become a bit bored with the sluggish gains that come when your natural and i think it is most def effecting my training, everyone else around me is blowing up on juice and here i am struggling for every lb..


Besides that I'm glad ive found a place where people are willing to help rather than just dismiss, everywhere else on the net it seems like if you post and say you havent done a cycle yet you immediately get flamed to death and acted like your an idiot, even the steroid experts and long time users started somewhere, everyone has a first cycle, I have made the choice to do it and I wanna do it right, hence asking all these questions...thanks for all the help guys its much appreciated, ill get a training log going when all my gear is here.

 

[Aztech]

1 - test at 300-500mg per week for 10-12 weeks
2 - save the dbol or ask to trade it with your source for more test
3 - a solid 15-20lbs should be possible with diet in order.

What kind of lifts do you have?

 

[Aztech]

and btw...don't listen to people who are insane amounts of gear with no sides...don't think you will be immune. Your body is gonna react different than mine and different from others you know. That's the exact reason you use test and test alone for the first cycle..so you can assess your tolerance

 

[MrMariusz]

1 - test at 300-500mg per week for 10-12 weeks
2 - save the dbol or ask to trade it with your source for more test
3 - a solid 15-20lbs should be possible with diet in order.

What kind of lifts do you have?

1/ I'm weighing up whether to just go test only, the dbol is tempting me so bad though, surely 20mg ed for 4-6 weeks will be okay?

2/I Don't wanna trade this dbol...as I have already said I believe ive got some top notch gear here and believe me its hard to come by around these parts so i will be holding onto it

3/


Lifts im not too sure about, the highest I have ever been on the bench was 125kg for a few reps...and that was a few year back when i was a lighter so i don't know what it would be now, I have not maxed out, or came close to maxing out, for a long ass time, it would probably be considerably more now...as for DL and Squat about 170kg or so, again probably will be more, I don't max out ever really..

 

[MrMariusz]

and btw...don't listen to people who are insane amounts of gear with no sides...don't think you will be immune. Your body is gonna react different than mine and different from others you know. That's the exact reason you use test and test alone for the first cycle..so you can assess your tolerance

I feel you on that, but seriously, I can be forgiven for thinking that 10 weeks of test coupled with 4 weeks of dbol is gonna be okay when i know a guy who has been on like a 1000mg of test & deca, and 50mg or so a day of anadrol and dbol for the past 5 months....Like i have said, everyone around me seems to be on insane amounts of gear and I'm planning a relatively moderate cycle and im getting told its too much...

 

[omerta]

and btw...don't listen to people who are insane amounts of gear with no sides...don't think you will be immune. Your body is gonna react different than mine and different from others you know. That's the exact reason you use test and test alone for the first cycle..so you can assess your tolerance

not to mention they may not show sides now but wouldnt want to be them coming off

 

[Aztech]

well...let's say you do your low dose of dbol and test and your nips get itchy...what caused it?

Senario 1: you say, well, it's a low dose of dbol so that wasn't it then you end up writing off test as a gyno-causer for you and you severly limit any further cycles you can do. As well as you come to experience a limp dick doing cycles without test.

Senario 2: you actually blame the dbol, stop taking it (wasting it anyways) start taking nolva and an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) in massive amounts as you are afraid of the boobies and hinder any gains you would have got with the test.

It's for your own good to evaluate the test by itself first time around. Trust me, learn from others mistakes.

 

[MrMariusz]

not to mention they may not show sides now but wouldnt want to be them coming off

Oh definetely not...The one guy I know who's been on five months now reckons he is slowly weening himself off by going on ridicoulous amounts of Deca for 4 weeks then coming off, so when all is said and done hell of done 6 months of non stop juicing with some crazy dosages, he has put about 20lbs on or so though but i imagine it's all gonna go because this guy cant even spell out "PCT" let alone do it, his shutdown is gonna be harsh.

 

[Aztech]

I feel you on that, but seriously, I can be forgiven for thinking that 10 weeks of test coupled with 4 weeks of dbol is gonna be okay when i know a guy who has been on like a 1000mg of test & deca, and 50mg or so a day of anadrol and dbol for the past 5 months....Like i have said, everyone around me seems to be on insane amounts of gear and I'm planning a relatively moderate cycle and im getting told its too much...

I guarentee you run all that and you will end with the same gains bro. that's why you start out small, you body will respond well. Upp'ing the food intake to maintain the new mass isn't easy, as with many other factors

 

[mo'primo]

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47323

 

[Csamfa2]

and btw...don't listen to people who are insane amounts of gear with no sides...don't think you will be immune. Your body is gonna react different than mine and different from others you know. That's the exact reason you use test and test alone for the first cycle..so you can assess your tolerance

Great post, this goes for everyone including me. I'm guilty too.