First Cycle ever

[Newbsrus]

Hello everyone,

I am pretty new to bodybuilding. I weigh 162 pounds and am 5'6" My friend used some clippers and told me my body fat is 16%. I have been working out for about 3 years and my wife is a dietitian but, she does not seem to know much about steroids. I recently purchased a steroid set from a friend. It includes 4 tubes of testosterone propinate with 200mg per ml. It also has 50 pills of tamoxifen citrate and a bottle of liquid clomi and liquid letro with a lion on it. I got the kit about 4 months ago but did not want to use it till I understood what I was getting into. I have been reading boards and this one seems like a good one. Most articles I read say that for a beginner they should take 500mg of testosterone per week and testosterone propinate should be taken every other day. One of my questions is that the first week you will be able to take it on Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday. So that means i should inject 125mg right? But the next week I will be shooting it only on Monday, Wednesday, Friday so does that mean that week I shoot 167mg? Also most articles say if you get gynecomastia you should use the letro or tamoxifen citrate. But how can you tell if you are getting gynecomastia are there any warning signs? First of all which one do I use or should I use both and for how long? Also I read that you start using the clomid on the fourth day after your last injection and take 150mg the first week then 100mg the second week and 50mg the third week but how do I know that will be enough. How can you tell if your natural testosterone has come back?

I appreciate any help you can give me. In case you need it my age is going to be 30 in Jan.

 

[Newbsrus]

Also will these still work after 4 months? Even if not i can buy another set so please give me advice.

 

[safety-man]

One of my questions is that the first week you will be able to take it on Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday. So that means i should inject 125mg right? But the next week I will be shooting it only on Monday, Wednesday, Friday so does that mean that week I shoot 167mg?

thats a good one. no you do not change the doses. you obviously have a lot of reading to do, there are many threads here that can answer your many questions.

 

[Mr. Humdiddly]

Also most articles say if you get gynecomastia you should use the letro or tamoxifen citrate. But how can you tell if you are getting gynecomastia are there any warning signs.

When I felt gyno coming on my nips got a little puffy and itchy. That would be a good time to start once lumps form it is bad news bears.

You have a crap load of questions. At least it seems like you did some reading on your own. I actually never even thought about your question regarding increasing doses on alternate weeks but, your asking the right questions. Hopefully some more peeps will come along and answer your questions. In the mean time try searching the forums. Good Luck.

 

[teddykgb29]

if you are worried about gyno you may want to use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) like adex or exemestane.

 

[Newbsrus]

Will the liquid letro and tamoxifen citrate not work?

Also I just read that certain steroids are dosed by bodyweight is that true of testosterone propinate or is 500mg 's to start a one size fits all?

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

i would do 100mg EOD

propionate has more testosterone per mg than enanthate cause of ester weight.

350mg a week is roughly 500 of enanthate.

no need to adjust doses, your body doesnt use our calender.

you need to keep reading though, that prop is gonna hurt for the first 10 days or so

 

[Newbsrus]

I have not heard that it hurts. Is there any way to tell whether the hurt is normal or abnormal? I assume if it is abnormal their will be inflammation and a red, hot to the touch lump right. Is the normal hurt just like soreness then? Will it feel like a bruise?

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

at 200mg/ml you will prolly get all the above, hot red area, swollen, lump and soreness.

that is a very high concentration of prop-prop tends to cause more soreness than other esters. its because of the acid in the ester, and because the only way to make prop completely painless would be to make 50mg/ml.

you may need to cut it with sterile oil or b12.

@ 200mg/ml if it doesn't get sore, especially in your virgin muscles its prolly fake

 

[Newbsrus]

i was not going to shoot 200mg or do you mean that it is a high concentration and will hurt? So should I get another empty tube and put half of the testosterone propinate in their and fill it the rest of the way with boiled olive oil?

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

well i guess you could do that but dont make it so tough on your self. I would just buy some sterile USP grade oil or like i said oil based b12. draw up a ml or so in your syringe after you draw your test.

yes i mean the concentration is high. if labs made 50mg prop though nobody would buy it cause it would be too expensive. im not saying your gear is bad, just high concentration.

even if your prop was dosed @ 100mg/ml its still gonn hurt you for the first 5 shots or so til your T levels rise. its just the way it is. first time i pinned prop i had 150mg/ml. went in fine and everything, but the next 2 days HOLY SHIT it hurt. i guess its not that big of a deal though. now i love prop-and can shoot a gallon without it hurting.

this being your first cycle, even if you had test e it would prolly cause some soreness.

 

[Mr. Humdiddly]

So should I get another empty tube and put half of the testosterone propinate in their and fill it the rest of the way with boiled olive oil?

 

[Newbsrus]

Thanks Det oak. Would it help if i started lower and increased the dose or should I just man up and shoot away? I will ask my friend if he has any sterile oil. From the above post I am thinking boiling olive oil would not really be sterile huh?

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

you could make it sterile, but maybe we should leave the brewing techniques for further down the road.

They got b12 all over the internet man and its legal, just make sure its oil based, not water based.

start with 1/2 a ml EOD. Do that for 3 weeks, maybe go to 3/4 of a ml but thats it.

dont want start low, the goal is to keep blood plasma levels even.

PS love the pic humdinger, i was cracking up

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

now you need to learn about post cycle therapy (pct) and how to use your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) if needed, i would read ALL the stickies in the article forum.

 

[Mr. Humdiddly]

Sorry Op was more for comedic effect then anything else. Not sure if this helps or not but usually when post cycle therapy (pct) is working right my balls come back to normal size. Clomid can be a rough post cycle therapy (pct) too if you are not ready for the sides. Just be prepared and read everything you can and ask questions about the stuff you don't understand.

 

[Newbsrus]

Not sure what Op means but, if you mean me no offense taken I thought it was funny. Thank you both for your help I am gonna go read these stickies.

 

[Newbsrus]

I can't seem to find any stickies to tell me how to use letro can someone please help?

 

[Italiano SPO]

if you are worried about gyno you may want to use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) like adex or exemestane.

He has Letro which is way stronger than either of these two.

 

[Italiano SPO]

I can't seem to find any stickies to tell me how to use letro can someone please help?

Dose your letro low to start with and only adjust up if you need to. You can start at something like .50mg EOD or .25mg ED to start.