Hey guys I have done tons of research read the stickies at least once or twice or more I still have a lot to learn but want to get my test while its on sale from psl I know first cycle is usually test e or c but would u guys use test e 250 or test 400 (200 test e 200 test c) is there any advantages to one over the other. Thanks
First cycle which test is best
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PrinceDianabol
Well-known member
Enanthate & Cypionate esters are pretty much interchangeable. It's a negligible difference anyhow.
Only benefit to T400 is the higher concentration = less volume for injection. Higher concentrations do tend to cause more post-injection pain though. I would stick with the normal 250mg/ml, it's not much volume to inject anyhow.
Only benefit to T400 is the higher concentration = less volume for injection. Higher concentrations do tend to cause more post-injection pain though. I would stick with the normal 250mg/ml, it's not much volume to inject anyhow.
Mountain-Man
New member
Agreed 100%
Thanks for the quick replies that what I figured just wanted to make sure yea I think I got pct and ai figured out just hcg I just started researching just have to read things a couple times to understand it. For hcg I know u have to mix it with bac water and it only stays good for so long is that after u mix it so is it good to keep for a while before mixing
PrinceDianabol
Well-known member
Can you outline your PCT, hCG and AI protocols for us too? We can help with that as well. These are all equally important (if not more important) than the cycle itself.
mich29
New member
good call
Stay simple 10 week with 250mg x2 of Test-E + 250 Uix2 of HCG is good . You should use nolva only if you get gyno symptoms , also you could use AI but be carefull since low estrogen can be counterproductive since estrogen is anabolic , AI can have bad effect on your cholesterol levels . During your cycle and PCT you should taje fish oil 4 g/ day.
As PCT , start your at week 12 30 day of clomid 50-100 mg and 45 day of nolva 40 mg .After you finish your PCT you could start an Off-Cycle Therapy :
Typical OCT Program (8-12 Weeks) Testosterone Support: Vitamin D 3000 IU/day Calcium 500 mg/day Zinc Sulphate 250 mg/day D-Aspartic Acid 3.2 g/day Muscle Cell Re-sensitization: Arachidonic Acid 250 mg/day Fish Oil 2 g/day Anabolic Supplementation: Creatine 5 g/day Beta-Alanine 3-6 g/day BCAA 10 g/day
Stay smart and safe .
As PCT , start your at week 12 30 day of clomid 50-100 mg and 45 day of nolva 40 mg .After you finish your PCT you could start an Off-Cycle Therapy :
Typical OCT Program (8-12 Weeks) Testosterone Support: Vitamin D 3000 IU/day Calcium 500 mg/day Zinc Sulphate 250 mg/day D-Aspartic Acid 3.2 g/day Muscle Cell Re-sensitization: Arachidonic Acid 250 mg/day Fish Oil 2 g/day Anabolic Supplementation: Creatine 5 g/day Beta-Alanine 3-6 g/day BCAA 10 g/day
Stay smart and safe .
Onk
1kg = 2.20 lbs
this is his cycle not yours.
PrinceDianabol
Well-known member
Tell me what is the problem with my advice ? Please
This advice is from Anabolics 10 by William Llewellyn.........so not a broscience here is the list of scientifical journals that prove me right :
9. Association of vitamin D status with serum androgen levels in men. Wehr E, Pilz S, Boehm BO, März W, Obermayer-Pietsch B. Clin Endocrinol (Oxf ). 2009 Dec 29. [Epub ahead of print] 360. Testosterone levels in athletes at rest and exhaustion: effects of calcium supplementation. Cinar V, Baltaci AK, Mogulkoc R, Kilic M. Biol Trace Elem Res. 2009 Summer;129(1-3):65-9. Epub 2008 Dec 20. 361. Impact of oral zinc therapy on the level of sex hormones in male patients on hemodialysis. Jalali GR, Roozbeh J, Mohammadzadeh A. et al. Ren Fail. 2010 May;32(4):417-9. 362. The role and molecular mechanism of D-aspartic acid in the release and synthesis of LH and testosterone in humans and rats. Topo E, Soricelli A, D***8217;Aniello A, Ronsini S, D***8217;Aniello G. Reprod Biol Endocrinol. 2009 Oct 27;7:120. 363. Fatty acid profile of skeletal muscle phospholipids in trained and untrained young men. Andersson, A., A. Sjodin, A. Hedman, R. Olsson, and B. Vessby. Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 279:E744-751, 2000. 364. The COX-2 pathway regulates growth of atrophied muscle via multiple mechanisms. Bondesen BA, Mills ST, Pavlath GK. Am J Physiol Cell Physiology 2006 Jun; 290(6): C1651-9. Epub 2006 Feb 8. 365. Eicosapentaenoic acid and arachidonic acid: collaboration and not antagonism is the key to biological understanding. Horrobin DF, Jenkins K, Bennett CN, Christie WW. Prostaglandins Leukot Essent Fatty Acids. 2002 Jan;66(1):83-90. 366. Sport Supplement Reference Guide. William Llewellyn © 2009-2010. Molecular Nutrition, USA. 367. Creatine in sports. Kreider RB. Essentials of Sport Nutrition & Supplements. Humana Press. Totowa, NJ. 2007. 368. Influence of beta-alanine supplementation on skeletal muscle carnosine concentrations and high intensity cycling capacity. C.A. Hill et al. Amino Acids, 2007 Feb;32(2):225-33 369.369. 13C]phenylalanine. Riazi R, Wykes LJ, Ball RO, Pencharz PB. J Nutr. 2003 May;133(5):1383-9. 370. Dietary protein impact on glycemic control during weight loss. Layman DK, Baum JI. J Nutr. 2004 Apr;134(4):968S-73S. 371. Nutraceutical effects of branched-chain amino acids on skeletal muscle. Shimomura Y, Yamamoto Y, Bajotto G, Sato J, Murakami T, Shimomura N, Kobayashi H, Mawatari K. J Nutr. 2006 Feb;136(2):529S-532S.
JeanClaudeVanGains
I am banned!
wow i wish i can relive my first cycle! 525mg a week of test prop for 12 weeks, looked awesome, felt awesome!
Roush
I am banned!
Tell me what is the problem with my advice ? Please
This advice is from Anabolics 10 by William Llewellyn.........so not a broscience here is the list of scientifical journals that prove me right :
9. Association of vitamin D status with serum androgen levels in men. Wehr E, Pilz S, Boehm BO, März W, Obermayer-Pietsch B. Clin Endocrinol (Oxf ). 2009 Dec 29. [Epub ahead of print] 360. Testosterone levels in athletes at rest and exhaustion: effects of calcium supplementation. Cinar V, Baltaci AK, Mogulkoc R, Kilic M. Biol Trace Elem Res. 2009 Summer;129(1-3):65-9. Epub 2008 Dec 20. 361. Impact of oral zinc therapy on the level of sex hormones in male patients on hemodialysis. Jalali GR, Roozbeh J, Mohammadzadeh A. et al. Ren Fail. 2010 May;32(4):417-9. 362. The role and molecular mechanism of D-aspartic acid in the release and synthesis of LH and testosterone in humans and rats. Topo E, Soricelli A, D***8217;Aniello A, Ronsini S, D***8217;Aniello G. Reprod Biol Endocrinol. 2009 Oct 27;7:120. 363. Fatty acid profile of skeletal muscle phospholipids in trained and untrained young men. Andersson, A., A. Sjodin, A. Hedman, R. Olsson, and B. Vessby. Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 279:E744-751, 2000. 364. The COX-2 pathway regulates growth of atrophied muscle via multiple mechanisms. Bondesen BA, Mills ST, Pavlath GK. Am J Physiol Cell Physiology 2006 Jun; 290(6): C1651-9. Epub 2006 Feb 8. 365. Eicosapentaenoic acid and arachidonic acid: collaboration and not antagonism is the key to biological understanding. Horrobin DF, Jenkins K, Bennett CN, Christie WW. Prostaglandins Leukot Essent Fatty Acids. 2002 Jan;66(1):83-90. 366. Sport Supplement Reference Guide. William Llewellyn © 2009-2010. Molecular Nutrition, USA. 367. Creatine in sports. Kreider RB. Essentials of Sport Nutrition & Supplements. Humana Press. Totowa, NJ. 2007. 368. Influence of beta-alanine supplementation on skeletal muscle carnosine concentrations and high intensity cycling capacity. C.A. Hill et al. Amino Acids, 2007 Feb;32(2):225-33 369.369. 13C]phenylalanine. Riazi R, Wykes LJ, Ball RO, Pencharz PB. J Nutr. 2003 May;133(5):1383-9. 370. Dietary protein impact on glycemic control during weight loss. Layman DK, Baum JI. J Nutr. 2004 Apr;134(4):968S-73S. 371. Nutraceutical effects of branched-chain amino acids on skeletal muscle. Shimomura Y, Yamamoto Y, Bajotto G, Sato J, Murakami T, Shimomura N, Kobayashi H, Mawatari K. J Nutr. 2006 Feb;136(2):529S-532S.
not to be a jerk, but, isn't William Llewellyn himself a bro? a bro that has a degree in information technology (not science or the medical field) that happened to get into anabolics and make some coin off it ?
Interesting , I have full respect for William Llewellyn but if it is true what you said maybe I will change my mind . Any info about William Llewellyn is welcomed . Anyway I don't see way is a bad idea to make an OCT ...of course if the OP has enough money for it .
omgmike1
New member
Most guys use test E. It's good stuff, more mg per ml compared to test C.
It is nearly the same as OP's say. Don't run prop as first IMO. Just slowly get use to it with fewer pins, less flucs, ect...
I think the bottom half of stuff u wrote is some BS dude. Yes u do need to run PCT and follow a protocol, but those supps list u got is pointless. Why on this planet would u even want to add in creatine and pre-workout. That stuff is all optional and u make it seem like it's required. Only dudes who boost on creatine are the guys on the natural BB forums, this is steroidology. We use the good stuff, not Mr muscle xplode 3.0 pre-work mislabeled and over rated crap.
juced_porkchop
Moderator
i rec teste or cyp. they are pretty much the same. i guess go with teste since its usually 250mg/ml and c is usually 200mg/ml.
I would avoid high mg/ml ratio gear for first run or two, they can cause alot more injection pain due to solvents and/or crystallization.
do 12-14wks teste with AI dec 0.25-0.5mg eod and 4-5 week PCT of 50mg clomid ed and 20mg tamox ed.
juced_porkchop
Moderator
iv read his "cycles" and other stuff, looked at a couple versions of his aas books... good for pics and history of some aas and basic drug profiles, but his actual realworld knowledge of aas use and cycles are crap... thats putting it nicely...
Thanks for the info
appleton111
The Man with the Plan
so which test is best for first cycles? this thread was derailed fast.
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