first ph cycle dermacrine or 11-Keto

[animefreak]

hey guys.my stats are:1.75cm 77 kg 10% bf

my goal is to reach 8%bf without losin much muscle and harden a little up,thats it.

which do u think of these 2 pro hormones are better for me?dermacrine or 11-keto?

with either one of these should i consider doin a proper PCT or ill be good with OTC?

(this will be my first cycle)

 

[Noob84]

No experience with either of those, but fairly sure Halodrol would do the trick and there are lots of logs of it on here.

 

[animefreak]

No experience with either of those, but fairly sure Halodrol would do the trick and there are lots of logs of it on here.

halodrol is better than these 2 but more toxic.i definitetly need proper PCT and cycle support with halo,thats why i am lookin into these 2.

and i m not lookin into buildin muscle,just shred some fat and harden(of course diet-cardio-trainin are in check)

 

[Noob84]

Then why bother with a ph?
Sarms could do that too.

 

[mich29]

hey guys.my stats are:1.75cm 77 kg 10% bf

my goal is to reach 8%bf without losin much muscle and harden a little up,thats it.

which do u think of these 2 pro hormones are better for me?dermacrine or 11-keto?

with either one of these should i consider doin a proper PCT or ill be good with OTC?

(this will be my first cycle)

mrsupps Dermacrine or Katanadrol v3.0 come to mind for what your trying to do.

 

[Bootstomper]

mrsupps Dermacrine or Katanadrol v3.0 come to mind for what your trying to do.

Katana v3 should def help with that goal.... I've read a few logs where peeps drop like 2% BF and harden up quite a bit. Non-methyl that will be fine with an OTC PCT.

Based on my experience with dermacrine it's REALLY mild and I wouldn't say it helped me drop BF%... 11-keto/11oxo (muscle research xosterone comes to mind) might help with that goal, but again, really mild unless run at really high doses.

You could actually run dermacrine and katana 3 together... decent little combo there.

 

[startrooper]

Katana v3 should def help with that goal.... I've read a few logs where peeps drop like 2% BF and harden up quite a bit. Non-methyl that will be fine with an OTC PCT.

Based on my experience with dermacrine it's REALLY mild and I wouldn't say it helped me drop BF%... 11-keto/11oxo (muscle research xosterone comes to mind) might help with that goal, but again, really mild unless run at really high doses.

You could actually run dermacrine and katana 3 together... decent little combo there.

decent mild combo but too expensive...

 

[startrooper]

Then why bother with a ph?
Sarms could do that too.

ok then,he can go blind for a little bf cut...

 

[Bootstomper]

ok then,he can go blind for a little bf cut...

Only S4 is (can be) accompanied by the vision sides... GW doesn't have vision sides and is the best of the bunch for cutting fat (especially if stacked with osta)... just sayin'....

 

[nickb86]

decent mild combo but too expensive...

Getting the body you want and hitting the gym is not cheap bro. Getting big is not cheap either, chemical enhancement takes dedication, will power, and unfortunately funding ask any Pro.

You want to play it cheap, take up running lol

 

[nickb86]

Only S4 is (can be) accompanied by the vision sides... GW doesn't have vision sides and is the best of the bunch for cutting fat (especially if stacked with osta)... just sayin'....

100% correct ^^^ bro

and to OP, I think a helladrol/katandrol run stacked with dermacrine would be the ticket you can reduce BF and also add some size, best of both worlds

 

[startrooper]

100% correct ^^^ bro

and to OP, I think a helladrol/katandrol run stacked with dermacrine would be the ticket you can reduce BF and also add some size, best of both worlds

ok so its the guy"s first ph cycle,so you are telling him to try dermacrine helladrol/katanadrol stack?he says he only wants to cut his bf,without sparing any muscle.11-keto would be enough.

 

[mich29]

note I said Dermacrine or Katanadrol v3.0

 

[nickb86]

100% correct ^^^ bro

and to OP, I think a helladrol/katandrol run stacked with dermacrine would be the ticket you can reduce BF and also add some size, best of both worlds

I meant one or the other stacked in with the dermacrine, sorry if it read wrong. But the two together do couple up well to make a great stack, but it would be more costly as someone else has mentioned...

 

[psizzle_8]

Good info in here. Dermacrine was a favorite back in the day. So glad it's back. My bottle came in yesterday and I can't wait to add it to my arsenal.

 

[mich29]

any updates on this OP?

 

[WittgensteinNephew]

I used Katana once. It's good and mild and doesn't produce too much by way of sides. For cutting, recomp, You might also consider a SARM like S4 or GW combined with Forma Stanzol. This'll limit the sides a lot and--far as I'm considered it's as good as Katana + Derma and you're basically staying natural.