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[h.uriahr]

Hey guys!!!

I'm getting ready to start my first cycle.

Stats
27yrs old
6ft 230lbs
arms 16
forearms 14
calves 15
chest 45
legs 27

bf around 20%...somewhere under..realistically 15%

I've been lifting for 3 yrs straight, no breaks but 1 week in between lifting cycles, although I've been fit since 2002.

Genetic limit??? I dont exactly believe in the "limit" because in my experience, the more you eat the more you grow. Do I need this boost? No. I want it. I'm pretty sure that if I crammed 7k cals a day then I'd bust the limit but damn....who want to cram 7k?? lol.

Reason for taking. A "jumpstart".

I've used prohormones before, pinnacle 19 nor 2 poppers. Great results.

Onto cycle

wk 1-800mg kickstart
wk 2 600mg
wk 3 600mg test 300mg dec
wk 4 600mg test 300mg dec
wk 5 600mg test 300mg dec
wk 6 600mg test

I know this cycle is short but it's just a "booster" cycle. My post cycle therapy (pct) isnt even necessary but I have nolvadex and clomid on hand just in case. I'm looking for a plateau breaker.

My second cycle is lined up for next february and it's test, deca, tren.

My nutrition is at roughly 3-600 carbs, 2-300 protein, 3-6500 cals. I cycle days on and days off. It's worked before with breaking plataeus so why not with test??

Whatcha think? Let me know?

Oh and my weight routine is
Monday-Legs, Shoulders
Tuesday-Off
Wednesday-Chest,Tri
Thursday-Back,Bi,Forearm,Neck
Friday-Off
Saturday-Legs
Sunday-Off
Repeat

Cardio-possibly 3 times a week.

Any advice?

 

[B-BOI]

To many compounds for first cycle, to short, just wrong, go for a longer test cycle save the deca for another time.

My 2 cent

 

[RA64]

^Agree with B.

Rethink this cycle.

 

[Teutonic]

Agreed..don t take these rebutal s as anything but constructive criticism from some older guys...
Ur pct..wrong..ANY exo test introduction and it s subsequent suppression of your test will need a post cycle therapy (pct). period.
6 week cycle..you ll be shuttin down the cycle just as you reap the benefits..i m o.
please dont bail or get upset..let s do it right.

 

[safety-man]

you'd get the same gains from the deca by throwing it straight into the garbage.
and what do you mean that post cycle therapy (pct) is not even necessary? its always necessary.
and your 2nd cycle plan is still too advanced for you as well.

 

[TheMilkMan]

BAD. Listen to the above advice.

Test should be ran 12 weeks, Deca should be held onto for future endeavors, PCT is necessary, training split could use a lot of work.

 

[h.uriahr]

Thank you for the responses!!

I appreciate any and all criticism...honestly. If I'm going to do this then I'd rather do it right. The PCT comment was advice that I've gotten from 2 friends of mine that have already done cycles of Sus, Tren, etc. They dont use any anti e and the only PCT they use is Novadex HT. I know, I know, stupid right?

I shouldve laid out my actual PCT routine, by "not necessary" I meant that I was going on Clomid anyways. I actually have Nolvadex in 20mg pills. I know I need 20-60mg to combat any gyno issues and if gyno comes up then I need to take atleast 20mgs a day until cycle ends.

wk 1-day1 200mg then 150mg finish wk
wk 2 100mg ed
wk 3 50mg ed


I can run the cycle longer but, because of the advice of my friends, I thought 6 weeks would be a good plataue breaker but, that's why I joined this forum.

I know that depending on the actual brew of my test that it'll take quicker/longer to kick in. I'm getting T400, unsure of the manufacturer and blend but I'm sure it's C and E but I will post when I get it. I also have access to dbol which I was thinking of taking as a booster.

Any advice?

Gotta say I love this forum.

 

[h.uriahr]

BAD. Listen to the above advice.

Test should be ran 12 weeks, Deca should be held onto for future endeavors, PCT is necessary, training split could use a lot of work.

I'll take any advice on my split but the reason I use this split is because honestly, it "feels" right. I need to blast my legs atleast 2 times a week. My chest has always been good at once, back too. I do shoulders and legs on day one because I prefer to clean the weight up and shoulder press it up and down onto my shoulders then squat with that. That's why I need another day under an actual rack.

Anyhow, I'll try your advice but I gotta say that unless the T will boost my body ALOT then this is the split I prefer

 

[Mr. Humdiddly]

The quantity of disparities related to your post require further clarification to elicit an educated response. Of particular merit are the following excerpts.

bf around 20%...somewhere under..realistically 15%

A five percent variance is huge in terms of BF. At 20 percent I would say cycling would carry unreasonable risks. At 15 percent consensus would be a plausible start.

wk 1-800mg kickstart
wk 2 600mg
wk 3 600mg test 300mg dec
wk 4 600mg test 300mg dec
wk 5 600mg test 300mg dec
wk 6 600mg test

Please clarify the ester form utilized here. Of intrinsic value is kickstarting with a short ester is a misapplication and kickstarting with a long ester is impractical. If you wish to utilize a short ester I.E. prop:

1-8 Test Prop 100mg EOD
1-8 Aromasin (exemestane) 12.5mg ED
3 days after last shot commence PCT of clomid 100/50/50/25

If utilization of long ester is desired:

1-12 Test E 500mg
1-12 Aromasin (exemestane) 12.5mg ED
14-18 Clomid 100/50/50/25

My pct isnt even necessary but I have nolvadex and clomid on hand just in case.

I am sure you have already realized the necessity for PCT so I will spare you further ridicule.

My nutrition is at roughly 3-600 carbs, 2-300 protein, 3-6500 cals.

By assessing the aforementioned nutrition plan their seems to be a discrepancy regarding macro-nutrient split. Of primary concern is the 100gram possible protein variation and the 300gram possible carbohydrate variation. This amounts to a possible 1600 daily calorie deviation.

Of more immediate concern is your possible fat intake. Lets utilize your upper levels for protein and carbs.
600g Carbs = 2400 cals
300g protein = 1200 cals
Total = 3600 cals
Utilizing your max calorie intake of 6500...
6500-3600=2900 cals
2900/9 = ~323g of fat daily

Your fat intake exceeds your protein intake. I would recommend a decrease in fat consumption or a re-computation of your macro-nutrient and calorie count.

 

[Ninpo]

These guys know there s***! They've help me a lot, they won't steer you wrong!
Just my opinion.

 

[h.uriahr]

Well I've actually performed a workout and nutritional overhaul. My next question is whether or not I should snag some hcg and maybe something else besides nolvadex? I've read so many different opinions on this that it's rather confusing and as I said before, I'd rather do this right

I'm getting a bf measure in a few days too.

 

[Mr. Humdiddly]

Well I've actually performed a workout and nutritional overhaul. My next question is whether or not I should snag some hcg and maybe something else besides nolvadex? I've read so many different opinions on this that it's rather confusing and as I said before, I'd rather do this right

I'm getting a bf measure in a few days too.

First cycles utilizing more then a testosterone compound illicit the opinion of injudiciousness.