First time "t" user.. Need post cycle therapy (pct) advice!!

[ScrawnyLawyer84]

how long after I start taking clomid will I notice my "boys getting bigger?"

HCG will assist with testicular atrophy. Clomid is a SERM and therefore only acts on the estrogen receptors. In other words, Clomid will not restore your HTPA or testicular size. Only HCG or proper post cycle therapy (pct) recovery will. You use Clomid to manage sides, it can't slow down or stop being "shut down".

EDIT: If that wasn't clear enough, the answer your question is - "never"

 

[ScrawnyLawyer84]

I am going to just go ahead and spell out what you should already know.

Estrogen sides can be managed two ways; via AI's and SERMS. Aromatase inhibitor (AI) is Aromatase Inhibitor. Aromatase is the enzyme which converts testosterone into estrogen. They make Type 1 and Type 2 AI's, the difference being that Type 1's (exemestane) form a permanant molecular bond which can't be reversed. SERMS are (for your purposes) an estrogen blocker. Used together, an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) will decrease the conversion rate of test to estrogen and diminish the free estrogen in your system while a SERM decreases the receptor absorption rate of that estrogen. This is the 3 minute, 101 level version of all this.

Prami and Caber are used for combating Progestin sides. With test only, this shouldn't be an issue.

You used Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), but not really to the normal protocols. HCG is best when you run it through out cycle to decrease atrophy. It can also be used in the method you utilized to kickstart the boys back to work. This approach is less effective.

If you managed a cycle correctly with SERMS, AI's, and Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), you don't really need Liquid V or Cia. However, they still serve a purpose at a somewhat high price.

 

[Nocturnal]

I am going to just go ahead and spell out what you should already know.

Estrogen sides can be managed two ways; via AI's and SERMS. Aromatase inhibitor (AI) is Aromatase Inhibitor. Aromatase is the enzyme which converts testosterone into estrogen. They make Type 1 and Type 2 AI's, the difference being that Type 1's (exemestane) form a permanant molecular bond which can't be reversed. SERMS are (for your purposes) an estrogen blocker. Used together, an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) will decrease the conversion rate of test to estrogen and diminish the free estrogen in your system while a SERM decreases the receptor absorption rate of that estrogen. This is the 3 minute, 101 level version of all this.

Prami and Caber are used for combating Progestin sides. With test only, this shouldn't be an issue.

You used Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), but not really to the normal protocols. HCG is best when you run it through out cycle to decrease atrophy. It can also be used in the method you utilized to kickstart the boys back to work. This approach is less effective.

If you managed a cycle correctly with SERMS, AI's, and Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), you don't really need Liquid V or Cia. However, they still serve a purpose at a somewhat high price.

So basically where i messed up is not running HCG throughout the cycle. I ran it after the cycle. Then took arimedex (AI) for estrogen reasons. So are u saying my balls will never fully recover to the original size? What if i took more HCG shots now?

 

[ScrawnyLawyer84]

I am saying your balls will recover naturally as your HTPA restores itself through homoeostasis. They were fully shut down and must now come back. HCG would have assisted the recovery rate, but thats more of a point of learning now. Taking more HCG "could" help, but it could also just delay HTPA recovery. Your SERMS and AI's will not speed up recovery in any way. This is why I said Clomid won't do anything for your nuts. SERMS and AI's are used to regulate your estrogen while you are recovering post cycle. What you have to do now is stay the course and stay off cycle for the appropriate amount of time while your natural testosterone levels recover. Your balls will come back, but on there own. Nothing you have or really can/should do now will speed that up. All of the ancillaries you have on hand are used to combat sides, not make cycling off faster.

I would take all this as a learning experience and do a little more reading prior to using more AAS. Just my two cents. You seem to still have some misunderstandings as to the nature and purpose of various post cycle therapy (pct) chems. Not knocking you, just would rather see you do it smart.

 

[Wormwood]

I am saying your balls will recover naturally as your HTPA restores itself through homoeostasis. They were fully shut down and must now come back. HCG would have assisted the recovery rate, but thats more of a point of learning now. Taking more HCG "could" help, but it could also just delay HTPA recovery. Your SERMS and AI's will not speed up recovery in any way. This is why I said Clomid won't do anything for your nuts. SERMS and AI's are used to regulate your estrogen while you are recovering post cycle. What you have to do now is stay the course and stay off cycle for the appropriate amount of time while your natural testosterone levels recover. Your balls will come back, but on there own. Nothing you have or really can/should do now will speed that up. All of the ancillaries you have on hand are used to combat sides, not make cycling off faster.

I would take all this as a learning experience and do a little more reading prior to using more AAS. Just my two cents. You seem to still have some misunderstandings as to the nature and purpose of various PCT chems. Not knocking you, just would rather see you do it smart.

SERMS do more important things than regulate estrogen PC though....

 

[ScrawnyLawyer84]

SERMS do more important things than regulate estrogen PC though....

We were starting with the cliff notes version.

EDIT: I realize that some report Clomid assists HTPA recovery in ways other then merely regulating estrogen reception. However, it was designed for the later and no medical trials have ever demonstrated that it in fact promotes HTPA activity. It may, it may not. There are also alternative theories which support the way it behaves. In any event, he needs to run PCT and just stay cool.