First time using var and clen

[Diver88]

Hey guys!
So I was hoping to use var and clen for an 8 week cycle. My questions stems for the diet aspect of things as well as dose. But first a quick overview. Iv been on a prep mode diet through my coach for a show for the last 15months. I know crazy isn't it? I recently realized I'very been on less than a 1000 cals a day. Over the last month I've upped my intake to 1200 and want to steadly increase it up..which resulted in a huge chaotic weight increase..water too..
Up until late this year I was at a 11% bf at 103lbs..now definitely at 19% with a 30lbs weight increase.
I've been weight training for 3 years...did muaythai for 2 years prior..had a scholarship in high school. So I'm not new to terms and nutrition except for nutrients regarding anabolic use. Does anyone know what my rough caloric intake should be with a macro breakdown when using var and clen?
My current stats and training regimen.
5 ft tall
28 years
133lbs.
Weight train 6 days..(2 legs, back, shoulder, accessory/conditioning, arms) hiit 2 times a week (15min sprints) and cardio 2 times a week 20mins. I also work as a server in a busy busy restaurant.
I was thinking doing var at 10mg (5in the am and 5in the pm) and clen 20mg both for 8 weeks. Any input on nutrition, macros and the dosage would be greatly appreciated! ***128591;***128591;

 

[Milton]

welcome to the site!

 

[blakey]

5ft tall!!!!!!

 

[blakey]

You should get some liver support going nac at least
Your talking low doses but better to be safe than sorry
So your cutting???
3j would be the man to break down your macros but you have so many questions and need to put up a bit more info goals ,is this your first cycle ,ect

 

[JimiThing]

Clen 20 mcg, not mg right? Just a typo right?

 

[Diver88]

5ft tall...yes sometimes I get lost in crowds
Ive been taking liver support on a 2 week on 5 day off cycle for about 1 month just to detox the stress build up inside. This is my first cycle yes. My goals at this point is to not be this "fluffy" Id like to get my vascularity back and see more of a muscle definition. And i did think low doses simply because its my first time but if its better to increase them then that should work fine too. I guess my main question is if this is the approach Im taking what should my rough macro intake be? or do you need to increase food intake when taking var and clen? in my case I sadly have fallen in the eat less but workout a lot more for way to long and I didnt want to repeat that approach again while being on a cycle.

 

[Diver88]

yes typo.

 

[juced_porkchop]

if you do use it start low (40mcg) and work way up (maybe 80mcg?) but read the stickies in aas section before anything

 

[blakey]

5ft tall...yes sometimes I get lost in crowds
Ive been taking liver support on a 2 week on 5 day off cycle for about 1 month just to detox the stress build up inside. This is my first cycle yes. My goals at this point is to not be this "fluffy" Id like to get my vascularity back and see more of a muscle definition. And i did think low doses simply because its my first time but if its better to increase them then that should work fine too. I guess my main question is if this is the approach Im taking what should my rough macro intake be? or do you need to increase food intake when taking var and clen? in my case I sadly have fallen in the eat less but workout a lot more for way to long and I didnt want to repeat that approach again while being on a cycle.

Righto..........
I would start of with 2000 calories a day then adjust it to suit
As for ya dosages start small like you said and you can increase it to suit
Good luck

 

[Gainjin260]

I haven't been 100 pounds and 5 feet tall since I was 10 years old, but 1000-1200 calories seems awfully low for someone who's active- even at that low of a weight.

 

[3J]

i agree.. 1200 calories is starving yourself..

have you ever tried carb cycling?? youre spending all that money on clen and var yet your diet doesn't seem to be up to par.. have you considered hiring a professional?? email me if interested 3jdiet@gmail.com


here is my website: 3J's Nutrition

 

[Diver88]

hey 3j, definitely agree with the starving self, I had hired a proffesional and they had me on 800 and 30mins of cardio every day sometimes more..Ive sent you an email!

 

[Diver88]

definitely going to need to increase my calories, im way too active to stay on less than a 1000 for over a year! and thanks for your adivce, I appreciate it! xo

 

[juced_porkchop]

i agree.. 1200 calories is starving yourself..

have you ever tried carb cycling?? youre spending all that money on clen and var yet your diet doesn't seem to be up to par.. have you considered hiring a professional?? email me if interested 3jdiet@gmail.com


here is my website: 3J's Nutrition

agreed here! and 3J is a great place to go for help. you might want to reconsider using who you hired

 

[juced_porkchop]

definitely going to need to increase my calories, im way too active to stay on less than a 1000 for over a year! and thanks for your adivce, I appreciate it! xo

not only are you starving yourself but your body will stall even at super low cals, it will try to save everything it can.. i would rec carb cycling with cals alot higher, but about 600cal to 1000cal MAX below maintenance. what is your maintenance? you will have to figure that out but im sure its more than 2x what you are eating right now.

going so low not only stalls fatloss but is also unhealthy.
chat with 3j for sure.

good luck

 

[DobieQueen]

Based on those stats, my quick guess would be around 1600-1700 maintenance cals... so for what she's trying to achieve with 1200 isn't too bad if it's clean lean diet and still get gains from var and clen.

 

[blakey]

Based on those stats, my quick guess would be around 1600-1700 maintenance cals... so for what she's trying to achieve with 1200 isn't too bad if it's clean lean diet and still get gains from var and clen.

No please don't give others advice when you clearly have no idea what your talking about

 

[DobieQueen]

No please don't give others advice when you clearly have no idea what your talking about

I've been in this lifestyle long enough to understand diet, training and gear... especially in a female. I've forgotten more than you know dude. Just because I don't post here much doesn't mean I don't know anything.

As for her size and what she's trying accomplish it's very reasonable. She can easily carb cycle at those amounts and get great results without starving. Along with running clen, I personally wouldn't start with more than 12.5mcg-20mcg (depending on the clen) it's quite powerful and sides are nasty if taking too much. I personally would be opting for Albuterol instead.

 

[blakey]

I've been in this lifestyle long enough to understand diet, training and gear... especially in a female. I've forgotten more than you know dude. Just because I don't post here much doesn't mean I don't know anything.

As for her size and what she's trying accomplish it's very reasonable. She can easily carb cycle at those amounts and get great results without starving. Along with running clen, I personally wouldn't start with more than 12.5mcg-20mcg (depending on the clen) it's quite powerful and sides are nasty if taking too much. I personally would be opting for Albuterol instead.

If you know so much why would you post that nonsense
As I previously started 3j is the man to talk to about Marcos especially for a female cutting cycle not one of my strong points but you claim to know so much about this topic and still give out this bad advice Mmmmm well all Iknow is every week im getting bigger still with low bf and veins as big as pencils all over my chest and shoulders so I'm doing something right

 

[DobieQueen]

If you know so much why would you post that nonsense
As I previously started 3j is the man to talk to about Marcos especially for a female cutting cycle not one of my strong points but you claim to know so much about this topic and still give out this bad advice Mmmmm well all Iknow is every week im getting bigger still with low bf and veins as big as pencils all over my chest and shoulders so I'm doing something right

Never once did I say 3j isn't the man for the job. Ive always seen good things from him. I was referring to you and your comment.

I'm a female and I have no problem accomplishing my goals and helping many achieve the same (I'm low body fat year round and defined and I too have veins popping) and basic rule of thumb is taking the age, stats and lifestyle into account. If she's cutting then she needs to be in deficit. That's just common sense. For someone her size, if she's taking in over 2000 cals, she will be adding weight... she can easily drop to 1200-1400 even and get her healthy range weight loss. If my math isn't off, as I'm basing it on her stats, her bmr is 1421. To maintain with her activity level she can add 300-500 cals max... so common sense tells you that to have a small deficit, will give her what she's after. Oh and the simple fact that she is a female reaching 30 plays a big role too... her coach having her eat 800 is very extreme and an invitation to muscle wasting but maybe she had A LOT of weight to lose quickly so they decided to go that route. Everyone has their methods and we don't know why she went that route.

Besides, Var and clen work very well in a deficit while cutting. If she's not at her goal weight then she will add thickness and will find herself disappointed with the results in the end.

How is that nonsense?