From cruise to blast but with a kick maybe opinions!

[cjz0220]

Ok guys last blast was 18 weeks long

test E 500mg 1-16 600mg week 17-18
tren E 350mg 1-15
dbol 50mg split 2 times 25 morning and 25 hour before workout 1-4

then I cruised for 8 weeks at 250mg a week will be blasting again when my great uncle Z's order gets here in about 2 weeks heres the plan

test E 600mg 1-16

but this time around ordered some proviron for the heck of it great deal on it so was gunna do week 1-6 at 25mg a day anyone with some experience with it chime in to what sides I may be looking at all sides you experienced or heard of.

was also thinking of taking some anavar at around 40mg a day but havent taken any other orals other than dbol and dont know what to expect

No pct as I am on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and as too goals looking to harden up a bit and drop some water weight and some bodyfat

Cleaned up my diet thanks to the diet section eating very clean, upped my cardio too 5 to 7 days a week at around 1 hour on the bike at moderate intensity. Hitting the gym 6 days a week high intensity training less rest between sets and doing a combo of reps to hit all muscle fibers

5 sets per exercise 4 to 5 exercises per bodypart reps are 1st set 15 2nd set 12 3rd 10 then 2 sets of heavy 6 reps. taking 40 to 1 min between sets.

Stats

Age 37
Height 6' 1"
Weight 235
Bodyfat 13.6% done at the university underwater tested
cycles 5 total

diet is split into 6 meals a day

290 grams of quality protien lean beef, chicken, and fish
180 grams of complex carbs
60 grams of fats

2 gallons of water a day.

 

[UserAt204]

Proviron will be good at boosting libido and it lowers SHBG providing more free test, which is what you want. At that dose it really won't provide any hardening effect. You shouldn't have any sides. I don't even think of it as an oral AAS Masteron would be a great choice for you to provide a hardening effect and will boost libido. They are both DHT derived but mast seems stronger. I get very hard looking and vascular from mast. 50mg a day would be a better option.

 

[cjz0220]

ok I will change it too 50mg then I may throw in mast next time as well

 

[TroyDiesel25]

Can you or any of the vets here provide some more color on "cruising?" I know it's running low dose test in between cycles, but by doing so are you basically "permanently" shutting yourself down?

I guess what I'm asking is -- once you start "cruising" do you have to maintain it for life (i.e. TRT) or can you cruise for 3-4 months then do a full PCT and recover? I'm assuming cruising would make PCT harder?

Please provide some insight. Thank you.

 

[ChrisWho?]

Can you or any of the vets here provide some more color on "cruising?" I know it's running low dose test in between cycles, but by doing so are you basically "permanently" shutting yourself down?

I guess what I'm asking is -- once you start "cruising" do you have to maintain it for life (i.e. TRT) or can you cruise for 3-4 months then do a full PCT and recover? I'm assuming cruising would make PCT harder?

Please provide some insight. Thank you.

Yes you stay shut down the whole time as your injecting exogenious test throughout. Cruising is not something that is advocated for younger users as you may stay shut down and may be on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for life. Some cruise and are able to come back off but it does get harder each time. It's not something for a new user. Use at your own risk basically as everyone is different.

 

[thetruepitbull]

Went on a blast and cruise for 3.5years. Will get more blood work done, but so far, so good. I will start my own thread when I go back to the lab.

I cruised on dosages of 100 to 200mg and blasted as high as ~3g's.

 

[Bullseye Forever]

Ok guys last blast was 18 weeks long

test E 500mg 1-16 600mg week 17-18
tren E 350mg 1-15
dbol 50mg split 2 times 25 morning and 25 hour before workout 1-4

then I cruised for 8 weeks at 250mg a week will be blasting again when my great uncle Z's order gets here in about 2 weeks heres the plan

test E 600mg 1-16

but this time around ordered some proviron for the heck of it great deal on it so was gunna do week 1-6 at 25mg a day anyone with some experience with it chime in to what sides I may be looking at all sides you experienced or heard of.

was also thinking of taking some anavar at around 40mg a day but havent taken any other orals other than dbol and dont know what to expect

No pct as I am on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and as too goals looking to harden up a bit and drop some water weight and some bodyfat

Cleaned up my diet thanks to the diet section eating very clean, upped my cardio too 5 to 7 days a week at around 1 hour on the bike at moderate intensity. Hitting the gym 6 days a week high intensity training less rest between sets and doing a combo of reps to hit all muscle fibers

5 sets per exercise 4 to 5 exercises per bodypart reps are 1st set 15 2nd set 12 3rd 10 then 2 sets of heavy 6 reps. taking 40 to 1 min between sets.

Stats

Age 37
Height 6' 1"
Weight 235
Bodyfat 13.6% done at the university underwater tested
cycles 5 total

diet is split into 6 meals a day

290 grams of quality protien lean beef, chicken, and fish
180 grams of complex carbs
60 grams of fats

2 gallons of water a day.

Ive blasted or had 2 previous cycles of test cyp at 600mg/week for 14 weeks and then back to my testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose after then and i had great results,and im n testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) lifetime so i dont worry about pct either,what kind of gains did you get the first time you done it?

 

[ChrisWho?]

Went on a blast and cruise for 3.5years. Will get more blood work done, but so far, so good. I will start my own thread when I go back to the lab.

I cruised on dosages of 100 to 200mg and blasted as high as ~3g's.

wow and you recovered from tht?

 

[thetruepitbull]

I'll have to get blood work done to actually confirm.
Libido, is still low compared to on cycle, but that can be expected.
Weight has not decreased but increased by 10lbs since starting and finishing my 4 month taper. And has been slowly creeping up in the past few weeks.
Mild depression for a period of time that has passed, although I've been taking the min. dosage of effexor for 2 months.
My bacne is gone. I had a few weeks of achy joints, as well as a psychological feeling of not wanting to train naturally.
I feel good though.

 

[UserAt204]

Pitbull you should look into triptorelin. Sounds like you are doing pretty good but if you find that you didn't fully recover it may be useful. I know of a guy who did what you did for two years, ran post cycle therapy (pct), but didn't feel fully recovered after serms. He then used trip and was good to go. It basically gave him the extra boost he needed. Either way keep us posted. I'm curious to see how the blood comes back. Good luck with it.

 

[thetruepitbull]

I'll definately read more. Thank you for the advice.

 

[cjz0220]

Ive blasted or had 2 previous cycles of test cyp at 600mg/week for 14 weeks and then back to my testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose after then and i had great results,and im n testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) lifetime so i dont worry about post cycle therapy (pct) either,what kind of gains did you get the first time you done it?

So far made excellent gains 1st time was good solid 15 pounds an abut 6 pounds water. Which through diet and serms its not that hard to get the water under control

 

[Natehayes]

Proviron will be good at boosting libido and it lowers SHBG providing more free test, which is what you want. At that dose it really won't provide any hardening effect. You shouldn't have any sides. I don't even think of it as an oral AAS Masteron would be a great choice for you to provide a hardening effect and will boost libido. They are both DHT derived but mast seems stronger. I get very hard looking and vascular from mast. 50mg a day would be a better option.

Not to hijack, but if mast is DHT derived does that mean it will boost your DHT levels?

 

[cashout]

cj are you working with a physician for your testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) or are you self-administering this protocol?

I ask because I am almost 41 years old and have been on physician-prescribed Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) for almost a year.

My urologist is a great friend and good physician and the longest period of time he lets me go without a visit and blood work is 12 weeks.

You say your last "blast" was 18 weeks, that makes me wonder.

cj, I know you are 37 so this is not directed at you but I bring this up to address a point made in posts in this thread by Troy and Chris - if you are not a Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) patient, this "Blast & Cruise" protocol is NOT a good idea - ESPECIALLY FOR YOUNGER GUYS!

When you start running exogenous AAS year round, year after year, you are opening yourself up to a whole host of issues that a simple 12 week cycle with proper post cycle therapy (pct) done 1-2 times a year would not introduce into the equation.

If you are are in your 20s or early 30s don't do this. You are asking for trouble down the road.

By the way cj, you said your goal was to "harden up a bit." You don't need 600 mg of test to do that. You can do that through diet alone.

At 6'1" and 235, you are only getting about 2900 calories from what you described as your diet.

290 grams of quality protien X 5 = 1450
180 grams of complex carbs X 5 = 900
60 grams of fats X 9 = 540
TOTAL = 2890


You should have no problem "harding up" on that. That is a pretty low amount of total calories to start. If you decided you want to grow, then the 600 mgs of test and about 1000 more quality calories will do the trick. With the dosages you are talking about running, adding to your calories would do wonders to help you put on more muscle.

 

[cashout]

Not to hijack, but if mast is DHT derived does that mean it will boost your DHT levels?

No - Masteron is a reduced form of DHT. It is not DHT, it is not converted to DHT and does not "boost your DHT level."

Masteron has a totally different binding affinity at the androgen receptor than does DHT and subsequently Masteron produces different results from DHT.

Masteron is nowhere near as androgenic as DHT. User is right about the effects of the drug, great for harding b/c Masteron will not aromatize to estrogen (it cannot undergo the reduction reaction) and ther is no water retention.

 

[Natehayes]

No - Masteron is a reduced form of DHT. It is not DHT, it is not converted to DHT and does not "boost your DHT level."

Masteron has a totally different binding affinity at the androgen receptor than does DHT and subsequently Masteron produces different results from DHT.

Masteron is nowhere near as androgenic as DHT. User is right about the effects of the drug, great for harding b/c Masteron will not aromatize to estrogen (it cannot undergo the reduction reaction) and ther is no water retention.

Thanks for the reply. I am looking for something that will increase my DHT levels which is why I was interested in whether masteron would have that effect.

 

[cjz0220]

cj are you working with a physician for your testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) or are you self-administering this protocol?

I ask because I am almost 41 years old and have been on physician-prescribed Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) for almost a year.

My urologist is a great friend and good physician and the longest period of time he lets me go without a visit and blood work is 12 weeks.

You say your last "blast" was 18 weeks, that makes me wonder.

cj, I know you are 37 so this is not directed at you but I bring this up to address a point made in posts in this thread by Troy and Chris - if you are not a Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) patient, this "Blast & Cruise" protocol is NOT a good idea - ESPECIALLY FOR YOUNGER GUYS!

When you start running exogenous AAS year round, year after year, you are opening yourself up to a whole host of issues that a simple 12 week cycle with proper post cycle therapy (pct) done 1-2 times a year would not introduce into the equation.

If you are are in your 20s or early 30s don't do this. You are asking for trouble down the road.

By the way cj, you said your goal was to "harden up a bit." You don't need 600 mg of test to do that. You can do that through diet alone.

At 6'1" and 235, you are only getting about 2900 calories from what you described as your diet.

290 grams of quality protien X 5 = 1450
180 grams of complex carbs X 5 = 900
60 grams of fats X 9 = 540
TOTAL = 2890


You should have no problem "harding up" on that. That is a pretty low amount of total calories to start. If you decided you want to grow, then the 600 mgs of test and about 1000 more quality calories will do the trick. With the dosages you are talking about running, adding to your calories would do wonders to help you put on more muscle.

Hey Cashout been a while since I saw ya post good to see ya back. Its kinda weird for me I was on doc prescribed I had my levels tested becus my pops advised me too. He is an avid lifter and BB for many years and when we were chatting one day last summer. I was explaining I was tired all the time couldnt get any energy etc etc. I was all natural then and pretty big didnt even have a clue he was using AAS. He said at 32 he was the same and had his levels checked and they were way low. So on his advice I did the same and was very low as well infact the doc was shocked at my levels I was as sexually active as I was. I mean sex was never an issue me and my lady were still doing 2 to 3 times a day. He put me on the cream which I didnt like at all and barely made any improvements in my levels and so I finally got a script for injectable and do self injecting was working wonders. Then out of the blue he wanted me to go back to the cream, I refused and so just used my source and do usually 500mg a week blast and then 200 to 250 mg cruise. I use aromasin and such as well on a ed or eod basis.

Yeah I figured my diet was pretty good the guys in the diet section helped me out with it. So far its working great and with all the cardio Im feeling pretty good. But with the test Ill probably stay around 500mg was gunna up it but after thinking a bit decided against it. But the test has a tendency to make me retain a lil water so the proviron will help out

 

[Nyde]

No - Masteron is a reduced form of DHT. It is not DHT, it is not converted to DHT and does not "boost your DHT level."

Masteron has a totally different binding affinity at the androgen receptor than does DHT and subsequently Masteron produces different results from DHT.

Masteron is nowhere near as androgenic as DHT. User is right about the effects of the drug, great for harding b/c Masteron will not aromatize to estrogen (it cannot undergo the reduction reaction) and ther is no water retention.

Hello. Yes, I know, this is an old thread. I came across this and was very interested. So this explains why my DHT levels remained unchanged after being on masteron for 2 months? So no matter how much masteron I take, my DHT levels will never ever increase?

What about with proviron? Will my DHT levels increase by taking proviron?

 

[ozie 1]

Went on a blast and cruise for 3.5years. Will get more blood work done, but so far, so good. I will start my own thread when I go back to the lab.

I cruised on dosages of 100 to 200mg and blasted as high as ~3g's.

wow 3.5 years- fk you must be massive.....................post a photo 4 us...... beast....