Gains = response to drugs

gram of tren said:
It seems there is a bit of favoritism on this board that should be addressed. Several members are allowed to insult the OP and call him names because he has a difference of opinion, with no action from the moderators. Even threats to ban the OP for arguing and defending his point of view. This thread is a debate, 555 is debating one side of the argument and a few of you guys are debating the other side of the argument. Just because you disagree does not mean the other side needs to be insulted or banned. This is a message board for steroids. It's purpose is to bring us together to discuss topics and share our knowledge on the subjects. Just because he or I doesnt agree with the majority does not mean we are wrong, or our opinions dont matter. Agree to disagree and move on. The threats to ban a guy and the insults because he shares a difference in opinion is childish.
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Thanks for the support, notice how I have refrained from hurling any insults, its what adults do.
 
555_____ said:
Thanks for the support, notice how I have refrained from hurling any insults, its what adults do.
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Im not defending your argument entirely. But I am defending that you are just debating, and it isnt fair that there is threats being made to ban you, and insults being made at you over your difference in opinion.
 
gram of tren said:
Im not defending your argument entirely. But I am defending that you are just debating, and it isnt fair that there is threats being made to ban you, and insults being made at you over your difference in opinion.
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Oh I know you're not, I see diet as the "finishing touch", not the drugs as they majority seem to want you to believe.
 
there is no one single factor that is most important. it takes a caloric surplus(hopefully not too terribly shitty), intense training, and drugs to get big. now to build a physique that will win bodybuilding shows you have to have good genetics. if your shape sucks, you can be 300lbs but you wont win very many shows. i have a lifting parter who is a pretty lean 308lbs. He is huge, but overall his shape just isnt very pretty. he will never do well in bodybuilding and he knows it. genetics can trump a clean diet, thats a fact. genetics with a great diet will yield more results, thats a fact also. but diet isnt 80% of the game, drugs arent 80% of the game, training isnt 80% of the game. you need all of it to get big. anyone that disagrees probably just wants to argue.
 
gram of tren said:
what vague statements and misinformation am i giving? i understand youre a nutritionist so of course youre gonna push that diet is #1, but in reality it is not. Diet is important no doubt, but genetics, training, and drugs also play a major role.
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well that's where we have the problem gram.. the words you choose make diet seem to be nothing... i know you know diet does play an important factor.. the way you speak of it makes it seem (esp to a n00b) that it isn't.. and all they need to do is get on a bunch of drugs lol...

i have said it time and time again...


i have worked hard to make this forum understand that diet is the most important aspect of bodybuilding.. and your sitting here tearing it down with your comments..

u think everyone is like you?? no, they are a bunch of guys who are soft and new to the game here.. that's why them come here.. to learn from more experienced people.. and your advice, as said, is poor advice.. that is all..

and the OP has made multiple contradicting statements... don't put yourself on the same level as him please..
 
I agree with a few things here but i always said diet is 80% for gain or to get good definition is not only the aas
 
i have worked hard to make this forum understand that diet is the most important aspect of bodybuilding.. and your sitting here tearing it down with your comments.
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Maybe it should be called "dietology" then?

Dont do that though, you will get a massive slump in new members.
 
what a thread, sure diet wouldn't matter if you were 120 lbs and on gear on for the fact that at 120lbs any food would do you some good. Reading the threads that the OP has posted in has me to the conclusion he is just here trying to grow his e-peen. Your mentality and thoughts are flawed. You state you are a national level competitor, you obviously didn't place cause if your at that level then you know how important diet is. You need to realize that 80% of the people coming to the board are in search of knowledge, looking for help on gaining, losing maintaining.. giving someone info like use a lot of drugs and don't worry about your training and diet is completely idiotic. If can't grow with diet alone and learn to eat then how do you expect the average joe to maintain once the drugs are done. Use some common sense its like anything you build from the ground up, get your basics (diet, training, rest) in check before adding the finishing touches to insure the best and safest possible outcome
 
Kazmir said:
what a thread, sure diet wouldn't matter if you were 120 lbs and on gear on for the fact that at 120lbs any food would do you some good. Reading the threads that the OP has posted in has me to the conclusion he is just here trying to grow his e-peen. Your mentality and thoughts are flawed. You state you are a national level competitor, you obviously didn't place cause if your at that level then you know how important diet is. You need to realize that 80% of the people coming to the board are in search of knowledge, looking for help on gaining, losing maintaining.. giving someone info like use a lot of drugs and don't worry about your training and diet is completely idiotic. If can't grow with diet alone and learn to eat then how do you expect the average joe to maintain once the drugs are done. Use some common sense its like anything you build from the ground up, get your basics (diet, training, rest) in check before adding the finishing touches to insure the best and safest possible outcome
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Can you show me where I advised that?

"Finishing touches"
Oh brother.
 
gram of tren said:
Im not defending your argument entirely. But I am defending that you are just debating, and it isnt fair that there is threats being made to ban you, and insults being made at you over your difference in opinion.
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You aren't entirely free of the hurling insults either just saying.

You've also admitted you don't know his post history, did you consider that it might not be his actions and comments in this thread alone that led to potentially banning him?

Edit* also if you find a post insulting to you or anyone else, report it. Takes a few seconds
 
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555_____ said:
You can eat all the protein and lift all the weights you like but if you don't respond to the drugs then it aint gonna happen.
Sure you can get in shape and look reasonable but if you want a physique that stands out its all down to your response to drugs.

"Drugs are the finishing touch", yeah right.
You can eat the best diet in the world and train like a madman but once the drugs go in its a whole new world.
Hell you can even look great with mediocre training and a shit diet as long as the drugs are in there.
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If the drugs are good, even without a good diet you'll grow.
 
i think some of you older vet guys have gotten sloppy.. we have an OBLIGATION here to make sure we give out the correct information because ALOT of newbies come here to learn..

statements like "if the drug is good you will grow regardless" leads to first cycles with shitty and i do mean shitty diets..


LET ME MAKE MYSELF CLEAR, I HAVE WORKED VERY HARD (AS HAVE THE ADMINS ON THIS FORUM) TO MAKE SURE WE GIVE OUT SOUND ADVICE AND HELP PEOPLE.. WE DONT TELL PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR HERE, WE TELL THEM WHAT THEY NEED TO HEAR...

IF YOUR GOING TO BE A TUMOR ON THIS FORUM I WILL PERSONALLY CUT YOU OUT..

that doesn't mean i go trigger happy with the ban button.. gram and i are in disagreement here right? but i dont go banning the guy.. i state my opinion and he states his.. and he still understands that diet does play an important factor... we obviously dont see eye to eye.. but if your going to give out horrible misinformation we as a community are going to call you out on it... and get rid of you if we must


furthermore, mods have the last word here.. this isn't the white house, this isn't a democracy.. you are in someone elses house.. there is no constitution.. disrespect a mod and you risk being banned..

the only people on this forum who tell mods what to do are the admins.. PERIOD
 
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