Get in here Chip... you f**king SPAZ!!

[RJ]

ok, now that I have your attention.

I'm always interested in hearing your take on why it is a necessity to add HCG and an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to an Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) protocol.

I just wanted to know cause I don't use either and my numbers are always great. No titties, balls are fine. Is at an age thing or a dosage thing? I'm only on 100mg/w of Cyp. Levels are always in the 8-900 range, but the only issue i ever had was a gyno flare up (which I never got on cycles over a gram a week), but it was during my first few months and i was "experimenting" with other options. Took a month of Torem and it was gone.

i don't have libido issues, energy concerns, lifts are strong and getting better week by week.

Hell, i was even able to knock the wife up with low ass LH and FSH levels. And even with those being super low, i still had a 42million sperm count.

Am I just a superhuman mega-stud or what?

 

[CHIP WADOWSKI]

I'm not really used to harsh M*****F***ING, language and being called F***ING names... as I am very fragile and have not really ever experienced any C***S***ING A**H***S not liking me (**** Just spit my protein shake up all over my keyboard)....

But truthfully, to answer your question, yes, in all seriousness, you are absolutely the exception, NOT THE RULE. You are the SUPER HUMAN, MEGA-WATT GIGALO, SHANK SWINGING, VAGINA SLAYER. AND THAT IS ONLY THIRD PARTY INFO THAT I GOT FROM THE BUNNIES AT THE PLAYBOY MANSION LAST MONTH. GOD KNOWS THAT YOU AND I DONT NEED ANY EGO BOOSTS, but the picture you used to use in your avatar tells the entire tale. YOU ARE A GENETIC FREAK, BRO.

I'm not aware of what level you made it to from a competitive standpoint, but you and I both know that the bodybuilding world is really a convoluted, political juggernaut, that will never have enough room for all it stars to shine in. Your symmetry and aesthetics were and probably still are nothing short of incredible. (NO HOMO, I HAVE THREE DOGS). I'm sure you made some mistakes early in the game, as we all have, but thats what allows us to now be of SUPERIOR INTELLIGENCE and INTELLECT. LOL

In the world of TRT/HRT it is necessary to always attach ancillaries in a clients protocol, to combat, in advance against any potential sides. This is also necessary from the medical practitioners standpoint to protect themselves from malpractice lawsuits. It is no secret that the world of TRT/HRT is on the cutting edge and is just now recently beginning to gain a bit of acceptance into the mainstream. Doctors should not be simply pumping out scripts for testosterone. Again, you really are the exception, not the rule. Most people WILL develop sides associated with testosterone administration and most do not have the inherent genetic make up that you do to be able to keep things in balance.

My best friend is a guy who is a freak just like you. Thats why I can relate, via his experiences, to the way that you say you respond. In 1995 he was light-heavy weight champion and took the overall Mr. Michigan and in 1997 he was the heavy weight champion Mr. Arizona. He's 42 now, and still looks incredible. I've been rolling with him for 18 years.

This was actually a great thread starter, bro. I hope your questions were answered accordingly. I think it was a really good segway into showing less experienced members and readers that TRT/HRT is not and cannot be a business of simply writing scripts for legal steroids, but rather and intricate system of checks and balances that truly protect all parties involved. THX BRO!!

 

[RJ]

thanks man. answered everything great. Honestly, i was originally sent to a Urologist back then (don't know why, maybe cause I said I wanted to have kids??) by my GP. I am still more knowledgeable then he is, but he keeps me covered if I need anything. Ur post gets me thinking about seeing an Endo though, just in case things change in the future. I never assume things will always be great. That's why I asked. I have great insurance that covers everything otherwise I'd be coming to you. But i thik i may look into seeing what a reputable Endo has to say.

Thanks brother, and thanks for the comps. I did one show in my life (not very competitive) in 2007. Took the SHW class at our GA State show and got out on a high note. It took a long time to learn what it took for my physique to look the way I wanted and its even harder now to maintain. lol

I'll keep you informed of what the new Doc says.

 

[CHIP WADOWSKI]

Bro, after all the prostate talk earlier, lol, I'm not much into kissing ass, lol... again... BUTT, I take a great deal of pride in the fact that you endorse me. Its no secret that you are one of the most respected opinions on this site and that you flat-out KNOW YOUR SHIT! Thanks again for starting that thread. A lot of peoples lives will change because of your positive opinion of me. (No homo)!

 

[CenturionHRT]

Ive thought about this over and over. What does HCG do? we know from experience that it can boost libido and give us a sense of well being. What i want to know is why and ive searched long and hard and can not come up with a fool proof scientific explanation.

does it do these things because of the boost in total serum T levels? or is it something more. I personally believe its something more.

1 thing i do know is no matter how great testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) is a depot injection is an archaic way to deliver T to the blood stream in comparison to our testicles. there is no denying that our testicles will deliver testosterone much more efficiently. the difference in terms of effectiveness is seen in the fact that a male only produces UP TO 60- 90mg a week, when it takes some guys up to 150mg of cyp to reach the same levels. I know about the ester but after doing the math you will realize there is even more disparity than that alone.

So is it that our own T makes us feel better? or the fact that the delivery of the T is in such smaller increments but more often with natty T that this is what makes it better?

Is it that a depot injection of 200mg of test cyp will reach peak levels within 24 hours and slowly decline for the rest of the time never reaching those peak levels again unitl the next injection? Does HCG stimulating the testes provide relief from the injection decline? can our body tell the difference between rising and falling T levels? not just total T?

One more thing i know for sure is that its obvious that taking advantage of both the exogenous T and Natty T stimulated from HCG is much better than 1 alone.


here is Dr Crisler's take on a scientific explanation. although i do not agree with all of his protocol's this def sparked my interest into some type of scientific reason to use HCG

"But theres another metabolic reason to employ this protocol. The P450 Side Chain Cleavage enzyme, which converts CHOL into pregnenolone at the initiation of all three metabolic pathways CHOL serves as precursor (the sex hormones, glucocorticoids and mineralcorticoids), is actively stimulated, or depressed, by LH concentrations. It is intuitively consistent that during conditions of lowered testosterone levels, commensurate increases in LH production would serve to stimulate this conversion from CHOL into these pathways, thereby feeding more raw material for increased hormone production. And vice versa. Thus the addition of HCG (which also stimulates the P450scc enzyme) helps restore a more natural balance of the hormones within this pathway in patients who are entirely, or even partially, HPTA-suppressed."

 

[CHIP WADOWSKI]

Way to many big words and talks of cleavage in there for me. Well, the cleavage is ok, I guess. Lol. I try to stay away from all the deep medical jargon and psycho dabble. I'll just roll with what I know to be fact from the personal and practical administration of HRT/TRT that I saved my own life with and RJH90210's endorsement. My clients aren't all about Dr. Chrislers studies that are loaded with info that only HOUSE M.D. could get a grip on. Lol. They just really want to know what will help them and have it explained in as simple of terms that can be understood. It's tough enough to look in the mirror and think that there is something wrong and not know how to fix it let alone having to be able to digest a medical journal. Good read though.

 

[Greazy-Pickle]

Way to many big words and talks of cleavage in there for me. Well, the cleavage is ok, I guess. Lol. I try to stay away from all the deep medical jargon and psycho dabble. I'll just roll with what I know to be fact from the personal and practical administration of HRT/TRT that I saved my own life with and RJH90210's endorsement. My clients aren't all about Dr. Chrislers studies that are loaded with info that only HOUSE M.D. could get a grip on. Lol. They just really want to know what will help them and have it explained in as simple of terms that can be understood. It's tough enough to look in the mirror and think that there is something wrong and not know how to fix it let alone having to be able to digest a medical journal. Good read though.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

ok if that was too much for you guys to understand, just wondering why HCG has its 2 well known benefits.............libido boost and sense of well being. somebody explain to me why exactly it causes those feelings? I mean we do know why T causes us to feel better right?

 

[Greazy-Pickle]

ok if that was too much for you guys to understand, just wondering why HCG has its 2 well known benefits.............libido boost and sense of well being. somebody explain to me why exactly it causes those feelings? I mean we do know why T causes us to feel better right?

you play poker? sorry for the subject change

 

[CHIP WADOWSKI]

you play poker? sorry for the subject change

OAK!!!!!...... THE JIZZARD OF OZ FINALLY CUMS FROM BEHIND THE CURTAIN!!!

Disclaimer: ME AND DET OAK HAVE TALKED AND ALTHOUGH HE'S ASKED TO KISS ME AND MAKE UP, I REFUSE TO DO SO! INSTEAD, WE'VE JUST AGREED TO MAKE OUT!!!

 

[CHIP WADOWSKI]

ok if that was too much for you guys to understand, just wondering why HCG has its 2 well known benefits.............libido boost and sense of well being. somebody explain to me why exactly it causes those feelings? I mean we do know why T causes us to feel better right?

Of course we do you SIWWY WABBIT!! Cause "T" is green!!! And GWEEN TEA is supposed to me us FEEW GOOD!!!

 

[RJ]

i didn't know this thread would incite so much conversation. Thanks guys, alot of good info. Especially the Humdiddly speak from Centurion. lol

I did love HCG on cycle wayy better than not using it. Didn't really feel a whole lot of difference when i added HCG to my Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) protocol, maybe cause I wasn't using an Aromatase inhibitor (AI).

Either way, I'll keep you girls posted. Thanks again for all the responses.

 

[Mr. Humdiddly]

Ive thought about this over and over. What does HCG do? we know from experience that it can boost libido and give us a sense of well being. What i want to know is why and ive searched long and hard and can not come up with a fool proof scientific explanation.

does it do these things because of the boost in total serum T levels? or is it something more. I personally believe its something more.

1 thing i do know is no matter how great testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) is a depot injection is an archaic way to deliver T to the blood stream in comparison to our testicles. there is no denying that our testicles will deliver testosterone much more efficiently. the difference in terms of effectiveness is seen in the fact that a male only produces UP TO 60- 90mg a week, when it takes some guys up to 150mg of cyp to reach the same levels. I know about the ester but after doing the math you will realize there is even more disparity than that alone.

So is it that our own T makes us feel better? or the fact that the delivery of the T is in such smaller increments but more often with natty T that this is what makes it better?

Is it that a depot injection of 200mg of test cyp will reach peak levels within 24 hours and slowly decline for the rest of the time never reaching those peak levels again unitl the next injection? Does HCG stimulating the testes provide relief from the injection decline? can our body tell the difference between rising and falling T levels? not just total T?

One more thing i know for sure is that its obvious that taking advantage of both the exogenous T and Natty T stimulated from HCG is much better than 1 alone.


here is Dr Crisler's take on a scientific explanation. although i do not agree with all of his protocol's this def sparked my interest into some type of scientific reason to use HCG

"But theres another metabolic reason to employ this protocol. The P450 Side Chain Cleavage enzyme, which converts CHOL into pregnenolone at the initiation of all three metabolic pathways CHOL serves as precursor (the sex hormones, glucocorticoids and mineralcorticoids), is actively stimulated, or depressed, by LH concentrations. It is intuitively consistent that during conditions of lowered testosterone levels, commensurate increases in LH production would serve to stimulate this conversion from CHOL into these pathways, thereby feeding more raw material for increased hormone production. And vice versa. Thus the addition of HCG (which also stimulates the P450scc enzyme) helps restore a more natural balance of the hormones within this pathway in patients who are entirely, or even partially, HPTA-suppressed."

The answer to the aforementioned question is subsumed in Dr. Crisler's quote. HCG is a heterodimeric glycoprotein. As with all glycoproteins the alpha subunit is a achetype similar to LH, FSH, and TSH, etc. I have already discussed the unique beta subunit in another thread so will not reiterate it again here.

Of intrinsic value is the commonality between the alpha subunits. This provides for the alacrity of endocrine response. Hence HcG has some limited effects on the endocrine system via pituitary stimulation.

Hence increases in other mood enhancing hormones like serotonin, adrenal etc.

Hope that helps.

 

[CenturionHRT]

yes that def helps clarify.

Do you think thats the only reason HUMDINGER? Or is it a combination of other factors........Im asking because of the direct stimulation of libido............do you think the stimulation at the pituitary is what causes the libido boost as well?

 

[Greybeard]

TOO damn many big words for a Marine to comprehend... Can't we just grunt & point?

 

[CHIP WADOWSKI]

too damn many big words for a marine to comprehend... Can't we just grunt & point?

he said grunt and point..... Priceless!!!

 

[CHIP WADOWSKI]

Ok... I had to take some time to find myself, BUT I'M HERE!!!!

 

[cjw2021]

Damn I'm going to have to steal some of your jokes Chip you are too damn funny.

 

[Mr. Humdiddly]

yes that def helps clarify.

Do you think thats the only reason HUMDINGER? Or is it a combination of other factors........Im asking because of the direct stimulation of libido............do you think the stimulation at the pituitary is what causes the libido boost as well?

I believe it is primarily attributed to pituitary stimulation. After all it is like a low dose ecstacy. It stimulates serotonin release. The difference of course it is through pituitary stimulation vs. forced production.