got my test levels checked
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Megatron28
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Sleeping too much is common with depression as well.
profboy
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yeah i kinda figured that's why I have been oversleeping a lot.
Starting to go to weekly counseling so hopefully that can help get me back to normal
Alpin
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5 hours of sleep machine blows away 12 hours non mask sleep.
Alpin
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T levels are at their best till 30. There's no way science can definitely say: T increases till 40 y.o.
I've read the opposite.
500 ng/dl is average. I wouldn't want to be lower than that at his age.
I think 500 ng/dl is totally acceptable for 40 year old's and beyond.
The testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) doc I go to commonly treats older guys and younger ones with 500 ng/dl (depends on BIO T as well)
A older guy who has 500ng/dl vs. younger male with 500 ng/dl will have less BIO T in his system.
A 21 year old should not be at 500 ng/dl indefinitely for the rest of his life.
But If there were exogenous substances introduced at a young age....
They take a major bite out of optimal T!
Best thing in his case is to run some hard PCT's and get LH, FSH levels to see what he is working with.
If you have sleep apnea...you want to get it treated...they can make you feel like crap even with T of 700 and beyond. T is not a cure all.
Megatron28
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A 21 year old at 500 can still look forward to his natty levels increasing as he ages.
I think you are not seeing the forest through the trees Apollon
Alpin
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Maybe. Then why did the testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) doc put me on stuff for life at 29 y.o. with Natty T of 512 ng/dl ?
halfwit
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Because he was a quack. Case closed.
OP: What time did you have your blood drawn? Odds are you may actually have a peak higher than that. Even then, what's important is HOW YOU FEEL. Depression can be a side effect of having low T, but you would also be experiencing many of the other symptoms as well. I'd hold off on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) as long as possible if you don't need it. And to answer your question, I often am sitting at around 1000ng/dL with my protocol. Doesn't mean I will earn twice the gains as you in the gym, just means I have double the amount of testosterone in my blood.
(Free T is what is used for hypertrophy/sex characteristics/etc)
profboy
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Because he was a quack. Case closed.
OP: What time did you have your blood drawn? Odds are you may actually have a peak higher than that. Even then, what's important is HOW YOU FEEL. Depression can be a side effect of having low T, but you would also be experiencing many of the other symptoms as well. I'd hold off on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) as long as possible if you don't need it. And to answer your question, I often am sitting at around 1000ng/dL with my protocol. Doesn't mean I will earn twice the gains as you in the gym, just means I have double the amount of testosterone in my blood.
had my blood taken at ~10:30am. I woke up at 9, I also fasted
As dumb as it may seem, I am glad that there are other factors, like my depression that could be affecting my current test levels. Gotta try to get everything sorted out and get another test in a few months
Megatron28
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Because he was a quack. Case closed.
OP: What time did you have your blood drawn? Odds are you may actually have a peak higher than that. Even then, what's important is HOW YOU FEEL. Depression can be a side effect of having low T, but you would also be experiencing many of the other symptoms as well. I'd hold off on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) as long as possible if you don't need it. And to answer your question, I often am sitting at around 1000ng/dL with my protocol. Doesn't mean I will earn twice the gains as you in the gym, just means I have double the amount of testosterone in my blood.
Thank you! But somehow I think Apollon is going to keep dwelling on that quack and telling the whole world about him. He knows he is a quack but somehow he keeps coming back to everything he said and he feels compelled to share his quackery with everyone else. He has some morbid affinity for that quack.
Alpin
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Thank you! But somehow I think Apollon is going to keep dwelling on that quack and telling the whole world about him. He knows he is a quack but somehow he keeps coming back to everything he said and he feels compelled to share his quackery with everyone else. He has some morbid affinity for that quack.
That Quack is my testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) doc...sucks but that's the way it is.
Who am I going to rely on now that I'm screwed...my GP or his endo's ?
I need him now that he got me into this....
Alpin
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Because he was a quack. Case closed.
OP: What time did you have your blood drawn? Odds are you may actually have a peak higher than that. Even then, what's important is HOW YOU FEEL. Depression can be a side effect of having low T, but you would also be experiencing many of the other symptoms as well. I'd hold off on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) as long as possible if you don't need it. And to answer your question, I often am sitting at around 1000ng/dL with my protocol. Doesn't mean I will earn twice the gains as you in the gym, just means I have double the amount of testosterone in my blood.
Lots of docs/endos say Free T is not important. Total and Bio T is.
JMEALS
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No its what lots of guys do to keep on TRT... ive been on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) long time(years) and don't take a shot for the month before I go for bloodwork every time...
But im 49 yrs old.
Megatron28
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Are you hoping he reads this forum as you constantly remind us over and over again?
Spunkey71
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Jmeals I only just noticed your posts the last couple of days, with your experience with being on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for ten years I do hope you will continue to post, your experience and knowledge is appreciated!
Alpin
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Bro...
I don't see how they can cut a guy off who needs the testosterone replacement therapy (TRT).
Although my GP couldn't care less and told me they were normal when they were at the bottom of the range.
Is this a new G.P. you are dealing with?
If it's the same prescribing doc that gave it in the first place...he would want to see what your best levels are.
Alpin
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I see you keep like to dig me every chance you get.
Yes, I have baggage and it kind of bothers me.
How would you feel being put on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and the doc telling you your levels of 594 ng/dl are no good?
I'm human too. This is a sort of place for talk therapy for me...
Sorry for the inconvenience.
Megatron28
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I see you keep like to dig me every chance you get.
Yes, I have baggage and it kind of bothers me.
How would you feel being put on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and the doc telling you your levels of 594 ng/dl are no good?
I'm human too. This is a sort of place for talk therapy for me...
Sorry for the inconvenience.
I would be mad and then go on with life. I would also accept some personal responsibility.
I wouldn't feel the need to keep rehashing it over and over again. I wouldn't keep posting it everywhere regardless of whether or not it is remotely relevant. I wouldn't keep trying to freak out new members. I wouldn't obsess over everything. I wouldn't keep freaking out with anxiety over my treatment and feeling the need to spew verbal diarrhea all the time. I wouldn't keep sending pointless PM's to everyone. I wouldn't keep asking the same questions over and over again until I get the answer I hope to hear. I wouldn't ask for advice that I have no intention of following or utilizing. I wouldn't keep quoting a quack doctor like I am some disciple of his.
I apologize for the inconvenience this may cause you. I'm human too. And think of this as my form of therapy too.
