GY and SG....you are completely missing what I am saying!!
I guess I am liked on these board and have earned the rank of Moderator, because I keep things simple stupid for the average person that comes on these boards.
LOL.. PERSONALLY, I CAN CARE LESS HOW YOU BECAME A MOD, IT MEANS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING... I KNOW MODS THAT BECAME JUST THAT BECAUSE THEY WERE POST WHORES, BUT I WON'T MENTION NAMES... I'VE NEVER EVEN HEARD OF YOU UNTIL THE TRANSFER OF THIS BOARD FROM THE OLD URL...
Above you explained that GH will NOT cause insulin resistence! Right? Then below you said if you dont eat enough carbs you can. This is what I'm talking about.
HMMMM.... DID I SAY HGH DOESN'T CALL INSULIN RESISTANCE???
95% of the people who use gear on these boards do not completely commit themselves to the dedication it takes with their diet to get to the next level.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE THEY ONLY READ WHAT'S FOR THE AVERAGE JOE, SO THEY DON'T GET THE INFO THEY NEED TO TAKE IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL BECAUSE NOBODY WILL STEER THEM IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, IF WHAT I'M HEARING IS TRUE...
GY...I'm not argueing with you about any of your points, you are explaining 100%, but how many people do what it takes?? Not as many as we would hope for. SO....I felt compelled to explain what it takes and what to expect for the "average Joe" who take GH to expect.
WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF ME POSTING ON THIS THREAD.... IT'S SIMPLE.. THE FIRST FEW POSTS YOU PUT UP DIDN'T GO INTO ANY SORT OF DETAIL, SO WHAT CLASSIFICATION DID YOU PUT IT IN.. NON....
WHEN I POST, I SINGLE OUT THOSE WHO ACTUALLY SPEND THERE MONEY AND DEDICT THEMSELVES TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO GET WHERE THEY WANT TO BE.... I AM HERE TO ASSUME THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THIS BOARD CORRECT??? TO HELP THOSE GET TO WHERE THEY WANT TO BE AND GET THEMSELVES CLASSIFIED AS "ELITE" BODYBUILDER'S, NOT THE AVERAGE JOE... PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW THE REAL FACTS AND THE TRUTH BEHIND WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN I TAKE THIS AND THAT.... AND I'M HERE TO MAKE SURE THE FACTS ARE STRAIGHT WHEN I CAN... NOBODY WANTS TO SPEND $350-$600 ON EACH KIT OF HGH TO GET AVERAGE RESULTS AND SIT ON THERE ASS, OR MAYBE THE BODYBUILDING COMMUNITY IS CHANGING...
I did just that. GY...not everyone here is 5-7% BF. 99% of us how so much BF to lose, hence the difference in results. No matter how much I ate when on GH, I never gain weight! I always had so much BF to lose, as do most of us here.
WELL, I WOULD HAVE TO SEE WHAT YOUR DIET LOOKED LIKE AND WAS YOUR GOAL TO PUT ON WEIGHT, OR TO LOSE BODYFAT??
Do you truely think my statements were meant for everyone including the elite bodybuilders we have here?? I am not here for them! I am here for the newbies to get a taste and a basic understanding on what is going to happen to them when taking certain substances.
I always say diet is the key....Well genetic plays a huge roll in it too!
I have shitty genetics...I gain fat to easy.
I'm rambling again!!
GY...SG, you guys know a hell of a lot more than me! I have to say my info which might be a little off to the most knowledgable person out there, works for the majority of the people we have here....1-5 cycles under their belt and 12%bf, which means 17% Bf, it works and makes sense to them.
VERY TRUE, BUT THERE ARE ACTUALLY PEOPLE THAT READ THIS THREAD THAT DO HAVE THE DEDICATION TO GET TO WHERE THEY WANT TO BE... WHERE MUST THEY GO TO GATHER INFO ON WHAT TO DO AND HOW TO DO IT????
So to summarize...does gh cause insulin resistence? Yes, if you dont eat enough carbs. Most people dont! Will Gh cause dramatic weight gain without slin?? Yes, but only with a very strong diet, which most here cant commit to. Will Slin make a big difference to the average guy taking Gh that wants to gain Size?? Absolutely! Can they do it without it?? Yes, but it will take complete and total diet dedication, good genetics, and a low BF content! Why?? Because GH's fat burning effects are greater than its muscle building properties. So if I am 15-17% BF and want to gain weight on GH, I probably wont gain, because of the amount of fat I had to lose.
ACTUALLY, MOST PEOPLE EAT TOO MUCH CARBS, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND... IT'S ALL DIET HERE... IF YOU HAVE THE DEDICATION TO EAT TO LOSE WEIGHT, I CERTAINLY DON'T SEE WHY YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THE DEDICATION TO LOSE BODYFAT AND GAIN LEAN BODY MASS AT THE SAME TIME... SEE, YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER SOMETHING.... IF A PERSON IS ON HGH AND LOSES BODYFAT, BUT GAINS QUALITY MUSCLE, THEY AREN'T GOING TO LOSE "WEIGHT".... THEY MAY JUST REMAIN THE SAME WEIGHT, BUT THERE BODYFAT HAS DECRERASED AND THERE LEAN BODY MASS HAS INCREASED, KEEPING THEM THE SAME WEIGHT... MOST WOULD LOOK AT THEMSELVES AND SAY "HEY, I DIDN'T LOSE ANY WEIGHT".. OF COURSE NOT..... JUST BODYFAT, BUT INCREASED MUSCEL MASS... NOT ALOT, BUT ENOUGH TO MAINTAIN THE CURRENT BODY WEIGHT THAT YOU'RE AT....
These are the points I was trying to hit on!
I dont have anything more to say, because I am not a GH guru! I just know how it is taken by most, and what it usually dose when taken.
SG...GY, you guys know your stuff, but think for a moment to who is listening. Also, think are these people really going to do exactly what is needed, or maybe they want to take an easier route.
AND WHAT WOULD BE THE EASY ROUTE???
I'll leave the competitive advice to you guys and I'll stick to helping the average Joe learn the basics.
SO TO SUM THIS UP, WE I GUESS WE NEED TO START CLASSIFYING THE GROU0PS OF PEOPLE THAT READ THE BOARD... THE AVERAGE JOE CAN STAY HERE, BUT THE ELITE BODYBUILDER MUST FIND THEMSELVES A NEW FORUM TO GO TO BECAUSE THIS IS EXCLUSEVELY FOR THE AVERAGE ONLY....
GY....
