Gyno reversal on TRT (still taking AI)

Shady1991

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Hoping for some help.

I've done a lot of reading on the recommendations of tamoxifen for gyno reversal. So it's been decided that I will be taking 20mg ED till it subsides. I have two questions, however.
Whats everyone else's opinions on this, and has anyone been succesful doing this while on TRT?
Also, do I continue to take my AI (.5mg 2x/wk after injections) while taking the tamox?

Thanks in advance.
 
Your clearly not reading any valid information. Tamoxifen is never going to reverse gyno. You need an aromatise inhibitor ....do more research.....

This is very old school and outdated information. A serm is the way to reverse gyno, not an ai. Nolva can reverse gyno, but you should've started it at a higher dose. It would be a bad idea to stop taking your ai while on nolva. You probably needed to dose your ai a little higher then you are resulting in gyno symptoms. There is a gyno sticky in the ology faq's thread. Give it a good read.

Ai's will prevent gyno and other high estrogen related sides if dosed properly. They won't do shit for gyno. Leave the old school stuff in the past...
 
Your clearly not reading any valid information. Tamoxifen is never going to reverse gyno. You need an aromatise inhibitor ....do more research.....

WTF???? I'm going to guess you posted this in error DPR?

OP: Here's some good reading info.... Raloxifene is your go-to compound first and foremost.... Tamoxifen is your back-up.

As for success rates, this varies from individual to individual - sadly surgery may be your only option - but you have to try these other options first.

Jimithing is right though, you need to manage estrogen primarily before treating the gyno.

Good luck.

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...ia-if-you-re-asking-question-read-thread.html
 
There's no such thing as GYNO reversal.. If there were such an oral treatment/cure and the knife wouldn't be considered..You can minimize but you won't remove!

I don't know why people keep regurgitating false info about GYNO reversal?!?!?

People often advocate letro or AI's, this method (supposed cure) has been regurgitated and spouted recklessly throughout the forums for years, without ANY SOLID EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT IT!

All letro/AI's will do is minimally reduce the inflammation by entirely removing E2 (not a wise thing, as we need estro)..NO MEDICATION WILL REMOVE GYNO..It will only decrease localize inflammation within the ducts/glandular tissue!

There's forms of treatment to hinder further growth, and minimize local inflammation within the "glandular tissue", and the most effective method is in fact Tamox, due to its binding affinity to the receptors..You can utilize Tamox long term at low dosages, UNLIKE letro/AI's, where you may acquire a slew of health/sexual related issue..

The problem is with the "Glandular tissue" being sensitize to E1/E2,the localize tissue on the male breast,the receptors being dependent..You can take all the AI's you wish, but they don't have a direct course of action that targets these receptors solely (glandular breast tissue)..All your doing is removing E2 from the entire endocrine (static system),thus giving the appearance that it's targeting the glands directly, at the same time failing to provide the rest of the body's functions with estro in which it needs to operate as each hormone has a partnership that influence each other to create a state of balance within, as the system of checks try to create..

Treatment should be to target,not annihilate and obliterate (unless it's cancerous)...The only PROVEN method to remove gyno is with a "Scalpel" or "laser"!

Any other medication is merely treatment... There is NO cure!

I would suggest very low,to moderate dose of letro, with a low does of tamox (run both concurrent, LOW DOSE)..You can remove letro/AI's and return treatment with it later when you wish to discontinue letro, to avoid and estro rebound effects (again, not proven in all subjects)..(running both tamox with an AI,one targeting the enzymes as the other targets the receptors, but only recommend if GYNO is severe)

Target,target, and target.. Do not remove, you dont need crush E2 levels.. This will lead to a slew of other health related issues!

Also, some food for thought - One of the best ways to slow the growth of the lumps and reduce size is - STOP TOUCHING THEM! No joke brethren, its known as glandular stimulation..

The more the touch the nipple,breast tissue near or around the areola you will stimulate the the ducts,and muscles..Even stimulating the muscle that resides just under the areole they will tend to contract and flatten (pushing down on the existing gyno,stimulating it)..When the muscle is relax it looks more puffy, so when you look at it; it may concern you and trigger an impulse to habitually investigate.. Avoid this at all cost!

Site stimulation is real by merely touching the area..

This has been known to happen to honor guards in the services world wide, and a most notoriously known instance was in Germany, involving numerous members of the color guard..

Because if relentless drilling/practicing, the replica riffle would always hit,slam, or graze the left side of their chest (in the general area of the nipple), this repetitively, none stop action in fact induced gyno/permanent inflammation that needed cosmetic reconstruction/correction!
 
There's no such thing as GYNO reversal.. If there were such an oral treatment/cure and the knife wouldn't be considered..You can minimize but you won't remove!

I don't know why people keep regurgitating false info about GYNO reversal?!?!?

Couldn't disagree more Vision....

I got gyno earlier this year after PSL sent me some duff Arimidex...

I managed to reverse it totally in 4 weeks with Tamoxifen.
 
Couldn't disagree more Vision....

I got gyno earlier this year after PSL sent me some duff Arimidex...

I managed to reverse it totally in 4 weeks with Tamoxifen.

Thats cool... guess what? You're prone to get it again and again.. just because it minimized doesnt mean it aint there... Get a mammogram, I bet you see tissue growth..

You can minimize tissue growth, but you will never remove gyno with AI treatment.. Im glad to see that you didnt have to go under a knife..

when people use the word reverse, its used a little to heavy.. Minimizing inflammation is more appropriate..
 
Thats cool... guess what? You're prone to get it again and again.. just because it minimized doesnt mean it aint there... Get a mammogram, I bet you see tissue growth..

You can minimize tissue growth, but you will never remove gyno with AI treatment.. Im glad to see that you didnt have to go under a knife..

when people use the word reverse, its used a little to heavy.. Minimizing inflammation is more appropriate..

That I won't dispute... I'm well aware that I will be more prone to gyno now I've had it....

But I'll also be more vigilant when it comes to my AI, my DA and overall estradiol management.

To simply tell someone that it's surgery or bust isn't right... I myself have recently had great success, and many many others....

The aim should ALWAYS be to 'treat' the issue before going under the knife.
 
That I won't dispute... I'm well aware that I will be more prone to gyno now I've had it....

But I'll also be more vigilant when it comes to my AI, my DA and overall estradiol management.

To simply tell someone that it's surgery or bust isn't right... I myself have recently had great success, and many many others....

The aim should ALWAYS be to 'treat' the issue before going under the knife.

Dont put words in my mouth please, I never said it's surgery or bust.. I said, one can minimize inflammation ( because that's EXACTLY what it is ), but to certainly rid gyno 100% would be cosmetic surgery,if it was needed.. Treatment with AI's will be minimize/managing symptoms, in attempts to avoid any flare up.. In the medical community, there's a huge different between cure and treatment..

I've too have great success as well after my gyno surgery (Not all of my glandular tissue was removed, just the mass).. When I feel symptoms creeping up, tomax is my go to for direct targeting..
 
It is def possible to induce cellular apoptosis by depriving the tissue of estrogen. Not only will this prevent growth but it can induce apoptosis, which is cell DEATH, not a reduction in cell size but an actual reduction in the number of cells. This would , in fact, be reversal not a reduction in inflammation. Now it depends how far along the gyno is, the circumstances under which it formed (ie: pubertal, pre-pubertal, aas induced etc) that will determine if it is possible but by all means it should be your first course of action before going under the knife. Also, IMO and in studies raloxifene is the best way to deprive the tissue of estrogen without depriving your entire body of this necessary hormone.
 
It is def possible to induce cellular apoptosis by depriving the tissue of estrogen. Not only will this prevent growth but it can induce apoptosis, which is cell DEATH, not a reduction in cell size but an actual reduction in the number of cells. This would , in fact, be reversal not a reduction in inflammation. Now it depends how far along the gyno is, the circumstances under which it formed (ie: pubertal, pre-pubertal, aas induced etc) that will determine if it is possible but by all means it should be your first course of action before going under the knife. Also, IMO and in studies raloxifene is the best way to deprive the tissue of estrogen without depriving your entire body of this necessary hormone.

Can you support this with any known treatments? Id like to see... I'd deff save it and research this more if I had seen any hard facts on this..
 
use an AI when on cycle to manage estro. off cycle gyno issues i would rec a SERM like Tamox or Ralox to shrink gyno to a degree its not noticed.
I would atleast try that before getting it cut out as it could possibly be avoided.
dont use AI to try to shrink/remove gyno off cycle, thats and outdated method and not healthy. to crash your whole bodies estrogen levels to undetectable levels to starve the gland when you could simply starve the glands with a SERM and leave the healthy estro levles you have off cycle for its many needed bodily functions.
 
use an AI when on cycle to manage estro. off cycle gyno issues i would rec a SERM like Tamox or Ralox to shrink gyno to a degree its not noticed.
I would atleast try that before getting it cut out as it could possibly be avoided.
dont use AI to try to shrink/remove gyno off cycle, thats and outdated method and not healthy. to crash your whole bodies estrogen levels to undetectable levels to starve the gland when you could simply starve the glands with a SERM and leave the healthy estro levles you have off cycle for its many needed bodily functions.

Bingo.. its all about management... God I wish there was a method that made the mass just vanish as if there was no cellular response from the first place..

If I could go back, I'd have them remove the all of the glandular tissue, like every last bit :(
 
Can you support this with any known treatments? Id like to see... I'd deff save it and research this more if I had seen any hard facts on this..

Yeah there are several studies using ralox to treat gyno but if I recall the one that comes to mind was BMJ so if you google raloxifene gynecomastia study BMJ it should come up. It has examples of both where the tissue size decreased and also where it actually was totally eliminated. Good starting point of ref to support my post.
 
Yeah there are several studies using ralox to treat gyno but if I recall the one that comes to mind was BMJ so if you google raloxifene gynecomastia study BMJ it should come up. It has examples of both where the tissue size decreased and also where it actually was totally eliminated. Good starting point of ref to support my post.

I'll check this out... Id love to see something regarding elimination...

Its the the study with the mice is it??
 
I'll check this out... Id love to see something regarding elimination...

Its the the study with the mice is it??

No man, its on adult males and it has an example of elimination of gyno in a group of 11 examples. The rest show a reduction avg of like 63% if i recall. Its been a while but i think my numbers are accurate.
Also google the ralox studies on pre pubertal gyno, they have examples of elimination as well >THATS really impressive actually because in those cases the gyno was formed pre puberty and still responded to treatment with ralox YEARS later.
Of course ralox will not make gyno disappear every time. In fact most of the time it wont. It will reduce it to the point where you do not notice it. That being said there are situations and examples where it does and has eliminated it completely. The reason being iss that the tissue requires estrogen not just to form but to survive and if it can effectively be deprived of e2 for an extenuated period it is possible for apoptsis to occur and it is gone.
 
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