gyno still not going away?

[CaptHowdy]

so i have been dealing with damn gyno and i have been taking 2.5 mg of letro for3 weeks and i have not really noticed any difference? so what shuld i do? i thought letro was suppose to trash gyno?

also before i was taking letro i was taking 40mg of nolva ed and it seemed to work alot better. any feed back please!!!!! gyno blows!!!! i want it gone. i am pretty dam sure its not from prolactin. i got it before i started a cycle while cruising on 250 mg ew of test e.

 

[Natehayes]

so i have been dealing with damn gyno and i have been taking 2.5 mg of letro for3 weeks and i have not really noticed any difference? so what shuld i do? i thought letro was suppose to trash gyno?

also before i was taking letro i was taking 40mg of nolva ed and it seemed to work alot better. any feed back please!!!!! gyno blows!!!! i want it gone. i am pretty dam sure its not from prolactin. i got it before i started a cycle while cruising on 250 mg ew of test e.

Not an expert, but I can tell you ralixofene (similar to nolva) worked better for me than letro. I think everyone is different.

Also if you are that gyno prone you mat want to consider running an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) like aromasin at a low dose whenever you are on (even cruising)

 

[RA64]

Go to the Doc for your own piece of mind.

 

[RJ]

Go to the Doc for your own piece of mind.

good luck w that. lol

capt, i would stick to what works. like Nate said, letro may not be the answer. I like Toremifene Citrate for gyno also.

 

[CaptHowdy]

thanks all. i am wondering what my next move should be cuz i have read posts saying letro worked in 1 week or it could take 6 to 18 weeks depending on how bad it is. i am wondering if i shuld stick with it and see how it goes. or try something else.

how long can this shit go on before it can not be reversed? its not like i am leaving it untreated.

also i did use adex while on cycle and i have never had gyno before wich is why i have no clue what works for me. i never had any issues at higher doses. then i cruised at a low dose and i got boned..

 

[CaptHowdy]

i am gonna stick with letro till monday and if i do not notice any difference i am going back to 40 mg of nolva ed. the only reason that i stopped the nolva is because i read that nolva can NOT reverse a gyno lump. so fuck it i am gonna use it cuz i was damn sure it was going away pretty quick too. it took bout 2 weeks for me to notice it but when i did it seemed to get smaller every day.

 

[Italiano SPO]

Not an expert, but I can tell you ralixofene (similar to nolva) worked better for me than letro. I think everyone is different.

Also if you are that gyno prone you mat want to consider running an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) like aromasin at a low dose whenever you are on (even cruising)

This is exactly why telling a newb to only use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) if they need one isn't sound advice and I disagree when people tell newbs that. First of all, newbs aren't necessarily experienced in all of this so sometimes they may wait until it's too late until they start an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and then you may require surgery. Not to mention the underlying effects that high estrogen causes. People think that just because they aren't getting gyno it's ok to not run an Aromatase inhibitor (AI). As RJH stated in another thread....we as experienced people should never say don't do something just because we choose to do it, unless of course it's something so obvious that everyone must do. I see people telling newbs all the time on here not to run an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) unless they need one and I'm sorry but I have to disagree 100% wholeheartedly. We have a responsibility to teach others in the right way. Newbs should ALWAYS take the preventive approach until they learn how they will respond personally to a compound. I'm not saying you are a newb but this thread gave me an opportunity to address your questions as well as a few other things that have been weighing heavy on my mind. Did you happen to run an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) even when cruising?

 

[RJ]

Newbs should ALWAYS take the preventive approach until they learn how they will respond personally to a compound.

But how can they know how they respond to a compound if they are taking an ancillary to combat any issues. Not saying they need to get gyno to learn their mistakes, but a smart person, after research and study, can determine immediately if they are getting a side effect. Nothing wrong with being reactive... if they do it immediately.

Here's another way to look at it. Say a guy does a cycle of test and deca, but takes Aromasin and no dopamine agonist (Prami, Dost, whatever). Now, he starts to get some gyno symptoms, comes on here, and tells his story. We're all gonna assume its the 19 Nor right? Because not all prolactin based gyno produces leakage.

Well, he may be really gyno prone from estrogen sides, and just not taking a high enough dose of the Aromatase inhibitor (AI), and have estro based gyno all along. Now we get him to take some Prami, which requires a build up period, and it doesn't do shit. 4 weeks later he has a huge lump and we have to do some major reconfig of his ancillary therapy.

Just so we're clear, I think preventative measures are great, and I don't want anyone to misconstrue what I am talking to ItalianSPO about as saying anything different. Just saying its hard to know what you are preventing if you don't know what you got.

Again, this is my personal approach. I like keeping what I take to a minimum and hate the idea of taking something, just to counter something else, just to counter something else. If its needed thats great, but you gotta know what you need.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

I would be taking both a SERM and LETRO, like yesterday.

 

[RJ]

I would be taking both a SERM and LETRO, like yesterday.

damn, got on my soapbox and forgot to give a suggestion. Typical.

Capt, give the Letro some time. Like I said, I'd try some TC or go back to Nolva if you don't have any luck, but you need to stick with it.

Are you off everything now or still cruising?

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

also what brand is your letro?

 

[Italiano SPO]

But how can they know how they respond to a compound if they are taking an ancillary to combat any issues. Not saying they need to get gyno to learn their mistakes, but a smart person, after research and study, can determine immediately if they are getting a side effect. Nothing wrong with being reactive... if they do it immediately.

Here's another way to look at it. Say a guy does a cycle of test and deca, but takes Aromasin and no dopamine agonist (Prami, Dost, whatever). Now, he starts to get some gyno symptoms, comes on here, and tells his story. We're all gonna assume its the 19 Nor right? Because not all prolactin based gyno produces leakage.

Well, he may be really gyno prone from estrogen sides, and just not taking a high enough dose of the Aromatase inhibitor (AI), and have estro based gyno all along. Now we get him to take some Prami, which requires a build up period, and it doesn't do shit. 4 weeks later he has a huge lump and we have to do some major reconfig of his ancillary therapy.

Just so we're clear, I think preventative measures are great, and I don't want anyone to misconstrue what I am talking to ItalianSPO about as saying anything different. Just saying its hard to know what you are preventing if you don't know what you got.

Again, this is my personal approach. I like keeping what I take to a minimum and hate the idea of taking something, just to counter something else, just to counter something else. If its needed thats great, but you gotta know what you need.

You're right on RJ. The problem is, when people tell newbs not to use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) for example, a lot of them just don't use one and never even have the stuff in their closet just in case something happens. I'm fine with not using something but make sure you have everything you could possibly need just in case. I also feel that even though you may not need an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to combat sides, it's probably a good idea to be having bloodwork done regularly because even though high estrogen may not necessarily give you sides you can see, there may be other stuff going on underneath that's invisible to the naked eye. Men's bodies are not supposed to have high estrogen. I'm agreeing with you RJ to a certain degree but still think using an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) or Pramipexole or whatever it is you may need for a compound you're using is a good idea. The best way to know all of this is to probably get your bloodwork done very regularly and then there's no debate. You'll know high your estrogen gets when not using an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and you can figure out how much you need to take to keep it in safe range, even without gyno symptoms. I have a doctor that keeps an eye on me so I'm lucky in that aspect.

 

[Ruturaj]

hey it take 50 days for letro to work on me
recovered from gyno lump
continue with letro 2.5mg/day max up to 60 days
don't forgot taper down and run nolva too 20 mg/day for week and then 10mg/day for next week
if letro will not help till 60th day go to surgeon
good luck

 

[RJ]

You're right on RJ. The problem is, when people tell newbs not to use an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) for example, a lot of them just don't use one and never even have the stuff in their closet just in case something happens. I'm fine with not using something but make sure you have everything you could possibly need just in case. I also feel that even though you may not need an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to combat sides, it's probably a good idea to be having bloodwork done regularly because even though high estrogen may not necessarily give you sides you can see, there may be other stuff going on underneath that's invisible to the naked eye. Men's bodies are not supposed to have high estrogen. I'm agreeing with you RJ to a certain degree but still think using an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) or Pramipexole or whatever it is you may need for a compound you're using is a good idea. The best way to know all of this is to probably get your bloodwork done very regularly and then there's no debate. You'll know high your estrogen gets when not using an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) and you can figure out how much you need to take to keep it in safe range, even without gyno symptoms. I have a doctor that keeps an eye on me so I'm lucky in that aspect.

excellent points once again brother. I actually need to check my last blood work results. lol

 

[Italiano SPO]

excellent points once again brother. I actually need to check my last blood work results. lol

Yeah bro....I generally have mine checked twice yearly or at least once yearly.

 

[RA64]

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IMO it's stupid not to have blood work done at least twice a year where on cycles, lets us know what is going on inside our bodies.