HCG indication on blood tests

bigben66

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Hi all,

I have just commenced TRT and I'm subject to frequent blood tests for a while until they get my protocol dialled in.... I have already noticed that my nuts have shrunk considerably, and I am keen to get started with HCG to get them back to normal again.

Does anyone know which part of the blood tests would indicate to my urologist that I am using HCG?

Cheers BigBen :)
 
Have you ask ur doc if u could get on HCG many are fine with it.

No, I haven't yet, but I will do sooner rather than later... but from research I have done already, UK doc's are not too kind when it comes to giving out ancillaries. So I am more than likely going to have to go the UGL route.

Hence why I am keen to know which section of the blood tests would indicate that I am using HCG...
 
I was always of the impression it mimics a gnrh (or lhrh) which increases levels of LH ? no ?

It mimics LH itself rather than releasing it. Lots of people on cycle or TRT post their blood tests. Many of them are using HCG. Their LH is always tanked.
 
It mimics LH itself rather than releasing it. Lots of people on cycle or TRT post their blood tests. Many of them are using HCG. Their LH is always tanked.

Excellent, thanks for this excellent info guys... that's extremely reassuring! :)

Cheers BigBen
 
It mimics LH itself rather than releasing it. Lots of people on cycle or TRT post their blood tests. Many of them are using HCG. Their LH is always tanked.

Yeah I must have edited while u were posting this. TY for clarification
 
Will HCG also increase you text levels?

It depends:

If you are eugonadal, somewhat.
If you are primary hypogonadal, minimally.
If you are secondary hypogonadal, markedly.


The article Jimi posted above is really informative, if you can get through it.
 
Hi all,

I have just commenced TRT and I'm subject to frequent blood tests for a while until they get my protocol dialled in.... I have already noticed that my nuts have shrunk considerably, and I am keen to get started with HCG to get them back to normal again.

Does anyone know which part of the blood tests would indicate to my urologist that I am using HCG?

Cheers BigBen :)

If ur on TRT what's your reasoning for needing HCG, just because u want bigger balls?
 
If ur on TRT what's your reasoning for needing HCG, just because u want bigger balls?

Partially. It also helps stimulate P450 side chain cleavage enzyme which is responsible for producing your endogenous testosterone. It also acts as an LH analog so if your testicles are capable of producing test (secondary hypo) it can help raise them. I believe also LH helps with adrenal function as well so it's got quite a few benefits besides just ball size.

Here are Dr. Crisler 's thoughts on HCG for TRT.

In my paper ***8220;My Current Best Thoughts on How to Administer TRT for Men***8221;, published in A4M***8217;s 2004/5 Anti-Aging Clinical Protocols, I introduced a new protocol where small doses of Human Chorionic Gonadotrophin (HCG) are regularly added to traditional TRT (either weekly IM testosterone cypionate or daily cream/gel). The reasons and benefits of this protocol are as follows, along with a new improvement I wish to share:

Any physician who administers TRT will, within the first few months of doing so, field complaints from their patients because they are now experiencing troubling testicular atrophy. Irrespective of the numerous and abundant benefits of TRT, men never enjoy seeing their genitals shrinking! Testicular atrophy occurs because the depressed LH level, secondary to the HPTA suppression TRT induces, no longer supports them. It is well known that HCG***8212;a Luteinizing Hormone (LH) analog***8212;will effectively, and dramatically, restore the testicles to previous form and function. It accomplishes this due to shared moiety between the alpha subunits of both hormones.

So, that satisfies an aesthetic consideration which should not be ignored. Now let***8217;s delve into the pharmacodynamics of the TRT medications. For those employing injectable
testosterone cypionate, the cypionate ester provides a 5-8 day half-life, depending upon the specific metabolism, activity level, and overall health of the patient. It is now well-established that appropriate TRT using IM injections must be dosed at weekly intervals, in order to avoid seating the patient on a hormonal, and emotional, roller coaster. Adding in some HCG toward the end of the weekly ***8220;cycle***8221; compensates for the drop in serum androgen levels by the half-life of the cypionate ester. Certainly the body thrives on regularity, and supplementing the TRT with endogenous testosterone production at just the right time***8212;without inappropriately raising androgen OR estrogen (more on that later)***8212;approximates the excellent performance stability of transdermal testosterone delivery systems for those who, for whatever reason or reasons, prefer test cyp.

But there***8217;s another metabolic reason to employ this protocol. The P450 Side Chain Cleavage enzyme, which converts CHOL into pregnenolone at the initiation of all three metabolic pathways CHOL serves as precursor (the sex hormones, glucocorticoids and mineralcorticoids), is actively stimulated, or depressed, by LH concentrations. It is intuitively consistent that during conditions of lowered testosterone levels, commensurate increases in LH production would serve to stimulate this conversion from CHOL into these pathways, thereby feeding more raw material for increased hormone production. And vice versa. Thus the addition of HCG (which also stimulates the P450scc enzyme) helps restore a more natural balance of the hormones within this pathway in patients who are entirely, or even partially, HPTA-suppressed.

It is important that no more than 500IU of HCG be administered on any given day. There is only just so much stimulation possible, and exceeding that not only is wasteful, doing so has important negative consequences. Higher doses overly stimulate testicular aromatase, which inappropriately raises estrogen levels, and brings on the detrimental effects of same. It also causes Leydig cell desentization to LH, and we are therefore inducing primary hypogonadism while perhaps treating secondary hypogonadism. 250IU QD is an effective, and safe, dose. After all, we are merely replacing that which is lost to inhibition.

In my previous report I recommended 250IU of HCG twice per week for all TRT patients, taken the day of, along with the day before, the weekly test cyp injection. After looking at countless lab printouts, listening to subjective reports from patients, and learning more about HCG, I am now shifting that regimen forward one day. In other words, my test cyp TRT patients now take their HCG at 250IU two days before, as well as the day immediately previous to, their IM shot. All administer their HCG subcutaneously, and dosage may be adjusted as necessary (I have yet to see more than 350IU per dose required).

I made this change after realizing that the previous HCG protocol was boosting serum testosterone levels too much, as the test cyp serum concentrations rise, approaching its peak at roughly the 72 hour mark. The original goal of supporting serum androgen levels with HCG had overshot its mark.

Those TRT patients who prefer a transdermal testosterone, or even testosterone pellets (although I am not in favor of same), take their HCG every third day. They needn***8217;t concern themselves with diminishing serum androgen levels from their testosterone delivery system. These patients will, of course, notice an increase in serum androgen levels above baseline.

While HCG, as sole TRT, is still considered treatment of choice for hypogonadotrophic hypogonadism by many , my experience is that it just does not bring the same subjective benefits as pure testosterone delivery systems do***8212;even when similar serum androgen levels are produced from comparable baseline values. However, supplementing the more ***8220;traditional***8221; TRT of transdermal, or injected, testosterone with HCG stabilizes serum levels, prevents testicular atrophy, helps rebalance expression of other hormones, and brings reports of greatly increased sense of well-being and libido. My patients absolutely love it. As time goes on, we are coming to appreciate HCG as a much more powerful--and wonderful--hormone than previously given credit.
 
I've personally found HCG has a very positive effect on my libido and refractory period.
 
Partially. It also helps stimulate P450 side chain cleavage enzyme which is responsible for producing your endogenous testosterone. It also acts as an LH analog so if your testicles are capable of producing test (secondary hypo) it can help raise them. I believe also LH helps with adrenal function as well so it's got quite a few benefits besides just ball size.

Here are Dr. Crisler 's thoughts on HCG for TRT.

Bro, that wasn't what I was confused about... The OP is on TRT so will be no need for HCG cuz he's never coming off ;)
 
Bro, that wasn't what I was confused about... The OP is on TRT so will be no need for HCG cuz he's never coming off ;)

I'm using it to backfill hormone pathways that are triggered by the LH signal that goes away when using exogenous testosterone. I've tried the supplementation method of buying these hormones (DHEA, Pregnenolone, etc) separately, but have noticed a marked difference when using HCG instead. I don't care about the size of my nuts, but having healthy adrenal glands and all the hormones that are necessary for a sense of well-being are important to me.

Little over four years of TRT here, FWIW.

Edit: Bigben, the only test I know of is a pregnancy test as it specifically looks for HCG. As men don't have levels worth mentioning naturally, there's little reason for a doctor to even think of looking there unless they want to see if you're on HCG. I do have a friend that received the good news that he's expecting a baby as they accidentally did order a pregnancy panel during one of his checkups. You can imagine the hilarity that ensued haha. ;)
 
Bro, that wasn't what I was confused about... The OP is on TRT so will be no need for HCG cuz he's never coming off ;)

It doesn't matter if he's coming off or not. LH, and it's analog HCG, still serve important purposes that will cease to happen without lH. As Halfwit mentioned, a lot of pathways are backfilled by HCG and LH and won't be with TRT. HCG isn't just about ball size it's about HEALTH
 
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