HCG PCT! Help needed!

[Primordial Performance]

Listen you keep skurting the issue at hand. Its not the fact that you recommend too low of a dose, its more of a case that your entire article is based on the fact that desensitization occurs in clinical doses, and im sorry but it just doesnt. take desensitization away from you and the entire article needs to be re-written. I will look at your study in a minute but i have a feeling it will simply discuss the refractory period due to the biphasic pattern of HCG, I have studied this extensively.

things like using low doses because of desensitization, taking 2 weeks off of HCG before starting SERM treatment, that stuff goes out the window until you can prove desensitization.

Right, so because there is no peer reviewed reference it must not happen in real life...

Hey do birds fly? Nope, no bird study to prove this, must not be true!

 

[Primordial Performance]

Like i said you keep saying this but have yet to produce 1 single shred of eveidence.

This is because it is hear say. It is a myth.

I would be polite when asking Dr. Scally about desensitization because he gets very offended when people try to advance that myth, that is one of his biggest problems with Dr. Crisler

Dr Scally is welcome to have his opinions. We actually disagree about quite a few things, but I still respect his point of view and experience.

The evidence is in the animal research and clinical result that I see on a daily basis. The fact that this isnt valuable to Dr. Scally doesn't change my logic on the mater.

-Eric

 

[Primordial Performance]

The-det-oak owned this thread, if hcg was a immigrant girl trying to get her green card by marrying an american, she would have to choose the-det-oak to pass the "were a real couple" test

Considering the oak just learned what GNRH was today I certainly wouldn't be taking drug advice from him...

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

well if you believe in science based medicine than you cant go on a wimb my friend.

doctors hand out 5,000 iu doses all the time. HCG has been studied extensively now due to TRT. If it was happening someone would have intitiated a study.

Whoever told you that testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) patients lose sensitiviy to HCG has obviously never dealt with testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) patients.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Considering the oak just learned what GNRH was today I certainly wouldn't be taking drug advice from him...

thats really funny that you think i learned that today. It also even funnier that you dont really know much about it. I have been discussing HCG and its effects on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) patients for some time now, and it definately does some things at the pitutary that you are apparently unaware of since you recommend users drop their HCG 2 FULL weeks before SERM treatment.................

Maybe since your such a smart ass, and a wizard on HCG, you could enlighten us to exactly why HCG tends to make you "feel good"? or why users report a "sense of well being"?

Maybe you can explain to us laymen why testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) patients that have no libido suddenly do after adding HCG to their TRT?

I mean after all it wasnt until today that you realised HCG stimulates action that actually provides the raw material for testosterone right?

 

[Primordial Performance]

Whoever told you that testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) patients lose sensitiviy to HCG has obviously never dealt with testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) patients.

no one "told me".

I get about a dozen emails a week on this type of thing. "Hey Eric, Ive been using hCG for testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) at XXX dose and its not keeping my T levels up anymore..."

Common sense tells me its desensitization.

-Eric

 

[Primordial Performance]

thats really funny that you think i learned that today. It also even funnier that you dont really know much about it. I have been discussing HCG and its effects on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) patients for some time now, and it definately does some things at the pitutary that you are apparently unaware of since you recommend users drop their HCG 2 FULL weeks before SERM treatment.................

Maybe ince your such a smart ass, and a wizard on HCG, you could enlighten us to exactly why HCG tends to make you "feel good"? or why users report a "sense of well being"?

Maybe you can explain to use why testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) patients that have no libido suddenly do after adding HCG to their TRT?

I mean after all it wasnt until today that you realised HCG stimulates action that actually provides the raw material for testosterone right?

Right.

I think I made my point here. Ill let you have the last word on this. You guys can email me if you need any help.

eric@primordialperformance.com

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

no one "told me".

I get about a dozen emails a week on this type of thing. "Hey Eric, Ive been using hCG for testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) at XXX dose and its not keeping my T levels up anymore..."

Common sense tells me its desensitization.

-Eric

There are tons of studies on HCG, its just that not one of them show this "leveling of T levels" that you speak of.

Im not saying the guys emailing dont have a problem but I think its time to stop blaming it on HCG.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

 

[fognozzle]

Wow, that was a trip! I didn't know jack about Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), that's why I searched about it and found this thread. Thanks guys for an extremely entertaining and informative thread. I believe there is good info to be gleaned from both sides of this spirited debate. I understand the common sense idea that HCG is responsible for desensitization. However, the direct clinical evidence linking the two, I did not find. Thanks guys for upping my IQ a few points!!! For what it's worth, my next cycle will include the higher dose all the way through to just b4 PCT.