Hcg????

[shez444]

Okay. As lame as this question sounds, I cannot find answers on the net to the questions I have. Sorry if I'm a little (graphic) about some things, but in order to get questions answered need to tell you what's going on. Mom, 4 kids, eat clean, work out (not as much as I should), but not a couch potato either. Planning a big trip. I'm in a size 3/4, want to get back down to a size 1/2. Looking to lose somewhere between 10-12lbs. I cannot take Clen. I'm on meds that will counter act with them. I've cycled before (about 10 yrs ago)... Primo, Winstrol (winny), Clen... I'm not looking to do that. I've done quite a bit of reseach on HCG, but there are still a few unaswered questions.
I've waited until my "menstral cycle" has started cause it says not to use during that time, so I'll be starting in about 3-4 days. I've got the 500 cal diet, know what make up to use and stay away from, etc...
What I can't find is if taking certain medication within this 23 day period will hurt me. It says it's safe to take asprin and birth control... What it doesnt say is ... It is okay to take Wellbutrin, Lamical (anti seizure med), and xanex. If ANYONE has ANY answers please respond.
Thank in advance... [FTV][/FTV]

It says my status is male, obviosly I'm female... lol

 

[RJ]

i saw an article about Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and weight loss the other day. Have no idea about how it supposed to do that, but this has disaster written all over it girl.

500cals is nothing. No way thats healthy. Taking numeruous meds, including anti-seizure and anti-depressants, with anything new, just to lose weight, all the while your only taking in 500cals? sounds like a nightmare and I'd be fearful. There is a right and a wrong way to lose weight... and this doesn't sound very good to me.

Maybe one of the Mods can move this into the Womens forum as well. Not that I'm sure itsgonna get much info together.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

i hate to be debbie downer-but their is absolutely 0 research that supports any fat burning abilities concerning HCG. there is one study i found out there that claims it works-but it specifically says right in the study that all the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) was supposedly make the women "feel better" so they were more likely to stick to the diet. I think the study is scewed. i have my reasons but I wont get into that at the moment.

it is a giant scam and a total rip-off. please do not buy into it.

I also found about 10 studies disproving the hype. It is most likely the 500cal diet that makes women lose weight on it-nothing more.

 

[ScrawnyLawyer84]

As RJ pointed out, you will have some better feedback in the Women's forum. I would recommend talking to 3J in the diet forum to nail down a great diet for you. I have two female friends who have run the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) weight loss regime. I would strongly suggest against this (as DET and RJ did). The majority of loss was water weight and they yoyo'd back up. As everyone will preach to you, fix the diet and the exercise routine. After those are rock solid, then supplemental fat burners can be considered. I am not saying these are what you need, but options like Lypo-6x or Clen are better choices then HCG.

As a random thought.... I am not sure how birth control and Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) would interact. Seems like a bad idea to mix a fertility drug with birth control.

 

[Miss Muscle]

This is retarded. Your diet is going to hurt you eventually. 500 cals a day is pure stupidity. Even a toddler gets more calories then that.

You have no business taking any weight loss aids when you can't even get your diet in check. You are a size 3/4 and want to get even thinner? I think you have an eating disorder and need professional help.

If you want a gorgeous stripper body it can be done with PROPER exercise and PROPER nutrition and nothing else. If you are on prescription meds we can work with that but NOBODY on here will advise you to take any more supplements or meds to help with weight loss.

You are taking a very unhealthy and unrealistic approach. The weight will not stay off.

It's time to increase the cals in your diet safely.

If you want to get serious we will help you but if you insist on doing dangerous things we will not support nor help you.

I appreciate you being honest and now we will be honest with you. I think you may need professional help. If you can not see why this diet is dangerous then we can not help you. And I am shocked to hear a doctor would put a woman who is at a perfectly normal weight on a 500 calorie diet. Go get a second opinion.

 

[shez444]

Okay.. That first post sounded really idiototic. Let me give you a little back ground info on me, then maybe you'll put a little more thought into what I said. I remember "back in the day" I used to look at posts like this and be like... OH BROTHER.... I have certs from Cooper Inst. (Master Physical Fitness Specialist, Kinesology, etc). I worked at 24 Hour Fitness for years, and when I moved down here became a fitness manager for a smaller gym. I quit training for a "living" when I became pregnant with my 7 yr old, because we had been trying to have a baby for years, and I miscarried before this prenancy (not proven), but probably from lifting too much and too many spots, so hubby said... "You're done." I am also APEX Certified, and even have the Apex diet program still on my computer. I can/ have written diets out the ying yang. I was an ACTIVE member of anabolics.com for many many years and have written many many cycles (or helped) for both men and women. In 2007 I flipped my Blazer about 10 times and broke my neck in 2 places, which required mutiple surguries. I have a gym in my home (eliptical, bowflex, punching bag/jab bag, and Ab bench.) I put my son on the bus every day and put in at least 30 min of cardio and light lifting, more reps than anything, b/c too much hurts my neck. I am VERY aware that 500 cal a day diet is VERY dangerous, however, been doing research on Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and it says/claims it breaks down abdominal fat, etc, so your body is "technically" using thousands of calories a day because of this process. I just really have never encountered it. And as for mental problems because I want to be smaller... I'm not mental. I'm vain. Very vain. As for seeing a therapist.. I do. After my son passed away in 2004 I developed a conditon called PTSD. In laymans terms in gave me the most extreme case of "roid rage", that just never went away. I am not a gym rat anymore. My schedule does not allow for it. I have 3 children and am running back and forth to school, football, baseball, cheer, etc.... ( I have no time, only time is mornings after the bus passes.) Again, for the mental part... Just vain. And if anyone on this site says that this is not a "vanity" thing, (gear), then they are the ones that need mental help. I just asked a simple question. I guess it sounded retarded because of the "no background info." My husband and I are going to Hedonism II, it's an all nude resort, and yes, i want to cut down quick.... I can't take Clen, etc, because of the xanex. It may reuslt in me literally beating the shit out of someone for pouring a cup of coffee wrong (exagerating..lol)... So to ask my question again, does anyone know anything about this? I've gotten mixed results from the net, and figured that a board like this would be my best bet to ask this question. Thanks in advance.

 

[RJ]

I always wonder why people come on here and give a list of their certs, degrees, gyms in basements, etc.

Shez, not that it matters cuz i know plenty of people with all that shit, and couldn't train a person to lift a box of tissues correctly.

You have to understand, that even with your latest post, it doesn't make sense. We all know part of the reason, if not all of it is vanity based. No one said anything about that. You are a size 3. That's tiny. But even if you want to be a size 0. With all those certs, training, knowledge, you should know how bad a 500cal diet is. Do you not know about depletions, carb cycling, keto? I could think of a million reasons why what you are doing is bad. And since there is no REAL evidence that Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) does anything significant for weight loss (i can't find a single study that looks legit, not that I would trust it anyway), why even risk it?

How long do you have til your trip to Hedo (why not Hedo 3 btw, Hedo 2 is a bunch of old timers. lol)? If you've got more than 2-3 weeks, we could set up with something I'm sure to get you close to where you wanna be. Get the idea outta your head about 10-20lbs. You of all people, with all your certs and shit, should know that BW doesn't mean a thing. its how you look.

Your initial post just sounds entirely too suspect of someone looking for a magic pill, and we all know there aren't any.

Aren't the sides of those meds you take now alot of bloating and water retention? I just don't see how adding some unknown variable to what you're on now as being good.

Lemme tell you about Hedo. EVERYONE IS NAKED!! Believe me, at Hedo, there is ALWAYS someone with a better body than you. And u know what? NO ONE GIVES A SHIT!! lol Its a fuck palace of naked wonderfullness. You will see gals getting gangbanged by 10 black guys by the pool at midnight, and walk 20 feet and see 6 playboy models sucking off some 60 year old rich guy. Its like Heaven with a beach...

So relax, tell us when you're leaving, and lets see if we can help you get ready.

 

[shez444]

lol... I know there's no magic pill. Trust me. That's why I came on here to ask about HCG. It sounds too good to be true. I read the Dr.s research and it "sounds" legit, and there are tons of people that swear to it, and tons of people that says its a scam. But I was reading about it breaking down bf and using those calories as suppliment to the 500 cals you are intaking. As for the people with certs that can't lift a box of tissues... lmao.. I'm with ya on that one. Saw some people that took a weekend class, got a piece of paper, and their own form was so shitty, how the HELL could they train others. Matter of fact, completely off subject, but back in "the day" my husband and I couldnt train together. I'd bitch about his form, and he'd wind up throwing 45lb plates because i pissed him off so much... (God, those were some funny times.) I know size doesnt matter, it's bf. I'm lucky. When I drop size (clothes) the bf goes right along with it. I got really lucky. I've got great skin elasticity and no stretch marks 4 kiddies later. (We've retired the baby making machine.) lol... I'm 36, 5'6, 127ish. (Lately my weight has been fluctuating almost 5 lbs in a day or two's time), which is NOT cool at all. I'm leaving April 16th. As for the meds i'm on... the Lamictal (anti seizure) is supposed to make you lose weight, as well as the Wellbutrin (the old quit smoking pill), and I don't think Xanex really does too much for weight gain either way. I am my Dr's worst nightmare because I won't take anything that has weight gain as a side effect. Trust me. We've done A LOT of experiments with different meds. Matter of fact, the reason why I want to drop the 10lbs is because he got this bright idea to throw Ambilify into my med mix instead of upping them and I gained 10 lbs in a month and basically wanted to walk out of his office holding his decapitated head... lol.... Again, as stated, I can't take stuff like clen because it amps me up. It wasnt bad (pre parental bereavement), but with the xanex... I just dont think uppers and downers is a very good mix. My diet isnt the cleanest in the world, when I mean that.. I"m not eating crap loads of chicken and fish, little bit brown rice, and veggie. That's what I ate almost every single day for 2 years.... lol... It sucked. I don't (want it) that bad anymore, but I also dont sit on my ass eating Twinkies all day. I hate junk food. The problem that I had as too much vanilla vodka and diet coke during football season... Who Dat??? lol.. sorry. As for Hedo 3, we dont swing very much. Neither of us care, and if I "have the urge", he is encouraging... but like he said, and this might sound conceited, but it's a quote from his mouth... Why would I want to do that when I know I'm getting the raw end of the deal? I'm getting this "okay" woman and this dick is fucking my gorgeous wife. I'm a very lucky woman. Trust me, he doesnt want anyone else. There's some things you cannot fake, and when he's sitting at the hot tub at Hedo II and well... you know what goes on... and Mr. Happy was very happy until someone else decided to join in the fun.... I'm not a guy, but I would think that's something one couldnt control. We got married at Hedo II (obviously on the prude side, had to bring pics back home) and go there every year for our anniversary. We are going a little early this year b/c we met 3 other couples that we have been friends with for years, and yes, one of the couples are old. (She has a walker and one of those little motor scooter thingy's) Props to her. I hope Jim and I are like that when we get that age. They don't like Hedo 3 as much, so we all meet there once a year. Oh, I forgot to mention another surgery.. ACL replacement in the beginning of 2007. Had just got out of PT when I flipped my Blazer and broke my neck, so there are a lot of things that I am "limited too." I have/had a spinal cord compression at C3-C4 and C6-C7. I had 3&4 removed, had some hardware and screws put in, and I recovered use of my left arm. I couldnt even open the door to my Expedtion with my left hand. Now, my only limitations are opening stuff like new pickle and jelly jars. My grip won't come back. They said it "may" come back if I get the 6&7 done, but I cannot withstand the pain of another neck surgery. The first week post op Jim had to hide the guns in the house and I was taking Oxycotin and it felt like I was taking Asprin. So, please, make some suggestions. My main "bitch" are my abs and would like to tighten my rear up a little more. Usually if I drop that much weight (10lbs) everything just falls into place. I've got some pics on my hard drive of my old desktop from last year. Of course,I'll have to draw a bikini on there, but yeah, abs ripped out, etc, and I'm just not being able to get there this year. I know it's because of some limitations that I have because of the ACL and the hardware, (and needed hardware) in my neck. As noted, I still have a cord compression at 6&7, but it's not debiliating enough for me to go through that stuff again. So, have fun if you'd like to try to suggest some stuff. I'm open to anything, not scared of anything (well, some things I just will not do again)... thank the Lord they came out with Vaniqa... have sides that laser didnt fix, and well, tweezing every single day is a royal pain in the ass. Not looking to reproduce things that have disappeared... trying to be (lady like, but real at the same time.)..... so, any suggestons???? lol

 

[shez444]

Oh.. and about the gym in my house.. I wasnt bragging on it. It's just that sometimes hubby's job takes him abroad for large parts of the year, and with little ones... well, I'm sure most of you know that most gyms do not take children until they can walk.. and I wasnt willing to wait that long, so I sold our formal dining stuff, and coverted the room into a gym. It's a lot easier with my 3 yr old home too.

 

[RJ]

holy fuck that hurt my eyes reading.

uh, i would say diet is your enemy right now, and it sounds like you know that. Unfortunately that is all i am going to suggest, because i believe that has to be on point, even if you add anything to help.

That and morning cardio and you're there.

 

[Miss Muscle]

You have to use paragraphs....this is getting ridiculous.

And you are ridiculous as well. I can't believe you've ever been mature enough to cycle because you sure as hell don't know what you are talking about right now.

You say you're vain......I'd say you are so incredibly insecure and have horrible body issues. You should seek help and seek to get healthy. You're going to destroy yourself trying to get your dream body, and the sad thing about it is that there is a healthy way to do it.

You don't have to live on chicken, fish, veggies, and brown rice for the rest of your life, to achieve your dream body.

You need to stop this Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) shit, and start reading these forums.

If you are using a proxy and can't make paragraphs then break your rants into seperate posts.

Your diet and your mind frame sucks. If you are really as knowledgeable about training and nutrition as you claim then you already this. Please stop this nonsense immediately.

 

[Miss Muscle]

Also you need to be a better influence to your children. If your kids see you hating your body then they will hate theirs. If they learn unhealthy nutrition habits they will carry that on for life. Life is too short do dangerous things to your self in the name of vanity.

 

[RJ]

Also you need to be a better influence to your children. If your kids see you hating your body then they will hate theirs. If they learn unhealthy nutrition habits they will carry that on for life. Life is too short do dangerous things to your self in the name of vanity.

Damn good point. I heart when you get angry.

 

[Blondie_Bombshell]

There comes a point in a thread when you must say screw it, go ahead and do what you want.

PS
You guys are so funny!

 

[RJ]

go ahead and do what you want.

I LOVE when girls say that to me.

 

[h4x0l2]

What the hell, why would you come in here and stomp all over the poor girl? She just wants information. If you don't have the information, don't speak your opinions. People are friggen rude.



Now, I would like to say what they say is true. Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) does not have any actual evidence stating that it can promote weight loss. At 500 calories a day, it is possible that what may happen over time is you can go into severe catabolism. You need to get yourself out of the catabolism. Change can't happen to the body (in a positive way) while in a catabolic state. This is why they are explaining a good idea is to get some more calories in there just to "shock" your system into making a change. Why it was said in a severely attacking manner, I will never understand.

Try to get at least 1200 clean calories per day.

Don't eat too much fruit - The glycogen buildup will not allow weight loss very easily

More green, more lean

Try having caffeine in the morning, even coffee will help (no sugar/cream) It can help promote weight loss.

Hopefully this helps.

 

[Blondie_Bombshell]

Okay.. That first post sounded really idiototic. Let me give you a little back ground info on me, then maybe you'll put a little more thought into what I said. I remember "back in the day" I used to look at posts like this and be like... OH BROTHER.... I have certs from Cooper Inst. (Master Physical Fitness Specialist, Kinesology, etc). I worked at 24 Hour Fitness for years, and when I moved down here became a fitness manager for a smaller gym. I quit training for a "living" when I became pregnant with my 7 yr old, because we had been trying to have a baby for years, and I miscarried before this prenancy (not proven), but probably from lifting too much and too many spots, so hubby said... "You're done." I am also APEX Certified, and even have the Apex diet program still on my computer. I can/ have written diets out the ying yang. I was an ACTIVE member of anabolics.com for many many years and have written many many cycles (or helped) for both men and women. In 2007 I flipped my Blazer about 10 times and broke my neck in 2 places, which required mutiple surguries. I have a gym in my home (eliptical, bowflex, punching bag/jab bag, and Ab bench.) I put my son on the bus every day and put in at least 30 min of cardio and light lifting, more reps than anything, b/c too much hurts my neck. I am VERY aware that 500 cal a day diet is VERY dangerous, however, been doing research on Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and it says/claims it breaks down abdominal fat, etc, so your body is "technically" using thousands of calories a day because of this process. I just really have never encountered it. And as for mental problems because I want to be smaller... I'm not mental. I'm vain. Very vain. As for seeing a therapist.. I do. After my son passed away in 2004 I developed a conditon called PTSD. In laymans terms in gave me the most extreme case of "roid rage", that just never went away. I am not a gym rat anymore. My schedule does not allow for it. I have 3 children and am running back and forth to school, football, baseball, cheer, etc.... ( I have no time, only time is mornings after the bus passes.) Again, for the mental part... Just vain. And if anyone on this site says that this is not a "vanity" thing, (gear), then they are the ones that need mental help. I just asked a simple question. I guess it sounded retarded because of the "no background info." My husband and I are going to Hedonism II, it's an all nude resort, and yes, i want to cut down quick.... I can't take Clen, etc, because of the xanex. It may reuslt in me literally beating the shit out of someone for pouring a cup of coffee wrong (exagerating..lol)... So to ask my question again, does anyone know anything about this? I've gotten mixed results from the net, and figured that a board like this would be my best bet to ask this question. Thanks in advance.

I thought PTSD was categorized as an anxiety disorder, I have no idea it was the same thing as roid rage.

 

[Blondie_Bombshell]

What the hell, why would you come in here and stomp all over the poor girl? She just wants information. If you don't have the information, don't speak your opinions. People are friggen rude.



Now, I would like to say what they say is true. Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) does not have any actual evidence stating that it can promote weight loss. At 500 calories a day, it is possible that what may happen over time is you can go into severe catabolism. You need to get yourself out of the catabolism. Change can't happen to the body (in a positive way) while in a catabolic state. This is why they are explaining a good idea is to get some more calories in there just to "shock" your system into making a change. Why it was said in a severely attacking manner, I will never understand.

Try to get at least 1200 clean calories per day.

Don't eat too much fruit - The glycogen buildup will not allow weight loss very easily

More green, more lean

Try having caffeine in the morning, even coffee will help (no sugar/cream) It can help promote weight loss.

Hopefully this helps.

Her question was answered several times, if you would read the thread.

Also caffeine is a bad idea if she has anxiety issues.

 

[h4x0l2]

I thought PTSD was categorized as an anxiety disorder, I have no idea it was the same thing as roid rage.

I think what she was trying to implement was that it triggered a negative side effect to her already existing condition.

 

[RJ]

What the hell, why would you come in here and stomp all over the poor girl? She just wants information. If you don't have the information, don't speak your opinions. People are friggen rude.



Now, I would like to say what they say is true. Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) does not have any actual evidence stating that it can promote weight loss. At 500 calories a day, it is possible that what may happen over time is you can go into severe catabolism. You need to get yourself out of the catabolism. Change can't happen to the body (in a positive way) while in a catabolic state. This is why they are explaining a good idea is to get some more calories in there just to "shock" your system into making a change. Why it was said in a severely attacking manner, I will never understand.

Try to get at least 1200 clean calories per day.

Don't eat too much fruit - The glycogen buildup will not allow weight loss very easily

More green, more lean

Try having caffeine in the morning, even coffee will help (no sugar/cream) It can help promote weight loss.

Hopefully this helps.

don't get your panties in a bunch Sir Chivalry. There were several posts, including mine, that were just as calm as could be. Unfortunately we see more irresponsibility on this board than the opposite, so sometimes it takes a lil more persuasion. Hell, the girl even admitted her first post was idiotic.

No ones giving tuf love without reason Prince Charming.

Very admirable, yet redundant review of all of our posts though.