Healthy alternative to sugar

[tman55]

My friend 's 6 year old child has recently been diagnosed as being obese. the dr. told them to put the child on the Southbeach diet.

anyway my question is what can they use as a sweetner to substitute for sugar other than splenda or aspartame or any of the other artificial chemical sweetners?

when he asked me i thought of stevia or honey. anyone have anything i could pass on to my friend.

 

[GymLift]

Splenda is extremely safe. There is zero data thus fat to suggest otherwise. Forget the propoganda websites out there. It also tastes the best, by far.

I used to get pure sucralose (the artificial sweetner in Spelnda). Up to 600 times sweeter than sugar. Good stuff.

 

[tman55]

Splenda is extremely safe. There is zero data thus fat to suggest otherwise. Forget the propoganda websites out there. It also tastes the best, by far.

I used to get pure sucralose (the artificial sweetner in Spelnda). Up to 600 times sweeter than sugar. Good stuff.

thank you for the response.

they want to stay away from splenda and other chemical sweetners because their child is ADD and those chemicals really do make it worse.

my physician told me that According to the Sucralose Toxicity Information Center, that Splenda consumption can cause up to 40 percent shrinkage of the thymus, a gland that is essential to maintain normal function of the immune system and that Splenda also causes swelling of the liver and kidneys and calcification of the kidneys. i do not intend to dig for facts to support this claim, but i think i will stay away from all chemical sweetners. i was hoping to encourage my friend to feed his family something natural. is there anything natural anyone uses and likes?

for all i know those claims about splenda may be propaganda and nothing else, but i can say this: when i took all the artificial sweetners,processed foods and most of the sugar out of my own childs diet that his ADD got better to the point that he no longer takes meds. true story.

 

[Puddles]

Sorry to hear about the child.

Stevia is healthy. They should try to get the child away from wanting sweets though...an acquired taste for more natural non-sweet foods takes a while but it can be done. It's kind of expensive but they can pick up a small package to try at the health food store and if it's liked then order in larger quantity cheaper over the net.

Make sure the parents understand about the glycemic index and things like brown rice vs. white; oats vs. processed cereals; wholegrain breads vs. white; etc. Explain how lower GI foods will not spike bloodsugar levels quickly.

My dad was an insuline diabetic before he passed away but I couldn't get him to understand that pizza would spike his levels. The day he had a heart attack and went into a coma he ate nearly a whole pizza himself.

 

[GymLift]

thank you for the response.

they want to stay away from splenda and other chemical sweetners because their child is ADD and those chemicals really do make it worse.

I have pretty darn severe ADD. In 2003, I purchased the equivalent of 110 pounds of sugar in pure sucralose. Within the year, I consumed all of it. It had zero effect on my ADD, with or without my medication.

As for aspartame, I hate that shit. And saccharin, too. But throwing all articificial sweetners into the same category doesn't make any sense from a chemical standpoint. Thus, anyone that tells me, "all artificial sweetners cause such and such a problem" looses credibility with me.

my physician told me that According to the Sucralose Toxicity Information Center, that Splenda consumption can cause up to 40 percent shrinkage of the thymus, a gland that is essential to maintain normal function of the immune system and that Splenda also causes swelling of the liver and kidneys and calcification of the kidneys. i do not intend to dig for facts to support this claim, but i think i will stay away from all chemical sweetners. i was hoping to encourage my friend to feed his family something natural. is there anything natural anyone uses and likes?

for all i know those claims about splenda may be propaganda and nothing else, but i can say this: when i took all the artificial sweetners,processed foods and most of the sugar out of my own childs diet that his ADD got better to the point that he no longer takes meds. true story.

The "Sucralose Toxicity Information Center"? Gosh, sounds like they have a strong interest in making Splenda look bad. If I understand correctly, those rodents where fed extremely large doses of sucralose and they were also starved.

Sorry if I seem a bit strong with my opinion. I guess I get upset because it is sugar, a very natural thing, that is killing so many people.

I actually don't take in that much sucralose anymore as I drink lots of water and use ON choc whey protein, which uses Ace-K as the sweetner.

Just my $0.02/USD

 

[GymLift]

My dad was an insuline diabetic before he passed away but I couldn't get him to understand that pizza would spike his levels. The day he had a heart attack and went into a coma he ate nearly a whole pizza himself.

I have to ask; did he not have a glucose meter?

 

[tman55]

I have pretty darn severe ADD. In 2003, I purchased the equivalent of 110 pounds of sugar in pure sucralose. Within the year, I consumed all of it. It had zero effect on my ADD, with or without my medication.

As for aspartame, I hate that shit. And saccharin, too. But throwing all articificial sweetners into the same category doesn't make any sense from a chemical standpoint. Thus, anyone that tells me, "all artificial sweetners cause such and such a problem" looses credibility with me.


The "Sucralose Toxicity Information Center"? Gosh, sounds like they have a strong interest in making Splenda look bad. If I understand correctly, those rodents where fed extremely large doses of sucralose and they were also starved.

Sorry if I seem a bit strong with my opinion. I guess I get upset because it is sugar, a very natural thing, that is killing so many people.

I actually don't take in that much sucralose anymore as I drink lots of water and use ON choc whey protein, which uses Ace-K as the sweetner.

Just my $0.02/USD

no problem bud. i respect your comments.

 

[tman55]

Sorry to hear about the child.

Stevia is healthy. They should try to get the child away from wanting sweets though...an acquired taste for more natural non-sweet foods takes a while but it can be done. It's kind of expensive but they can pick up a small package to try at the health food store and if it's liked then order in larger quantity cheaper over the net.

Make sure the parents understand about the glycemic index and things like brown rice vs. white; oats vs. processed cereals; wholegrain breads vs. white; etc. Explain how lower GI foods will not spike bloodsugar levels quickly.

My dad was an insuline diabetic before he passed away but I couldn't get him to understand that pizza would spike his levels. The day he had a heart attack and went into a coma he ate nearly a whole pizza himself.

thanks for the good advice puddles. i will talk to them about the glycemic index again. i agree with what you say.

 

[Puddles]

I have to ask; did he not have a glucose meter?

Yes, he did, I have it now. He lived to eat though and just wouldn't accept the facts. He felt that if it wasn't sweet then it didn't count as something that would affect his sugar. It's like the old expression, can't teach an old dog new tricks.

 

[GymLift]

Yes, he did, I have it now. He lived to eat though and just wouldn't accept the facts. He felt that if it wasn't sweet then it didn't count as something that would affect his sugar. It's like the old expression, can't teach an old dog new tricks.

Well, the problem is mad complicated I think by the fact that the GI isn't listed on the nutritional labels for foods. Both standard white and wheat bread have very little 'sugar' in them, but the white bread is more quickly broken down into sugar I suppose.

Sorry to hear about that situation, but thanks for sharing.

 

[thetopdog]

If it's a 6 year old kid, your friend needs to teach the kid some discipline with regards to eating. 6 is old enough to understand the difference between good for you and bad for you. If you try to accomidate the kid by giving him/her semi-healthy sweet foods, he/she will most likely go for junk foods when the parents aren't around

 

[pux888]

try honey, its a great subistute for sugar and is healthy. I know lots of people that substitute honey for sugar in all forms of recipies. Honey is also sweeter than sugar so it takes alot less to mimic sugar.

 

[GymLift]

If it's a 6 year old kid, your friend needs to teach the kid some discipline with regards to eating. 6 is old enough to understand the difference between good for you and bad for you. If you try to accomidate the kid by giving him/her semi-healthy sweet foods, he/she will most likely go for junk foods when the parents aren't around

It has to come down to genetics as well, however. My daughter eats way to many sweets, but she is extremely skinny.

No, I'm not the best parent when it comes to my child's diet. I do show her when I'm injecting my hCG, "if you keep eating all that sugar, then you are going to be injecting yourself like this as well." hrm... again, I'm not the best parent here.

Next child, the diet will be different from an early stage. The kid won't even know what coke tastes like at age 6.

 

[tman55]

If it's a 6 year old kid, your friend needs to teach the kid some discipline with regards to eating. 6 is old enough to understand the difference between good for you and bad for you. If you try to accomidate the kid by giving him/her semi-healthy sweet foods, he/she will most likely go for junk foods when the parents aren't around

you are correct. their entire family eats junk food all the time. they asked my opinion and i gave it. what they do is up to them. too bad for the kid.

 

[thetopdog]

It has to come down to genetics as well, however. My daughter eats way to many sweets, but she is extremely skinny.

Genetics plays a small role, but it's not nearly the most important thing (apart from the 0.01% of cases where the person actually has some type of metabolic problem). If you have a slower metabolism, just eat less junk, it's not everybody's birthright to eat large amounts of shitty foods.

The attitude that some people can't help being fat, or that having a slow metabolism means you're doomed to be fat is the main reason why most Americans are overweight

 

[tman55]

mranak,

i bit my tongue as to not waste my time in a useless debate.

 

[tman55]

Genetics plays a small role, but it's not nearly the most important thing (apart from the 0.01% of cases where the person actually has some type of metabolic problem). If you have a slower metabolism, just eat less junk, it's not everybody's birthright to eat large amounts of shitty foods.

The attitude that some people can't help being fat, or that having a slow metabolism means you're doomed to be fat is the main reason why most Americans are overweight

i agree. i get tired of hearing people complain about having what i like to call PGS(poor genetics syndrome) when they are overweight and eating crap.

 

[thetopdog]

i agree. i get tired of hearing people complain about having what i like to call PGS(poor genetics syndrome) when they are overweight and eating crap.

That would be like me coming in here saying I can't gain weight because I have a fast metabolism. I'm sure nobody would blame genetics, they would just tell me to shut up and eat!

 

[GymLift]

The attitude that some people can't help being fat, or that having a slow metabolism means you're doomed to be fat is the main reason why most Americans are overweight

Don't get me wrong. I agree with this.

Genetics doesn't itself determine if she will or will not be fat. But my daughters blood sugar is stable as hell and mine isn't, and that definitely changes things.