Help. 4 weeks in and have gyno symptoms

[Macedog24]

Use the advice in the gyno sticky in the ology faq's thread. Rui carries ralox. Banner is at the top of page...

Rui is a great go to source also!!! There line is top quality! I've used them for years! I myself prefer toremifene over nolva! Rui toremifene is amazing!

 

[Macedog24]

Shredder you got the best advice from Meg and Tbone and do not take Mecedog advice. Welcome to Ology. When getting advice always check out where it is coming from. What is the rep power how long has the person been established here and verify with another vet just to start.

Good luck you're on track now

old muscle mike ,I agree with how your going about this and what your telling the op about where the info is coming from! Your dead nuts on!
I restated my post because I believe. It was taken outta content and maybe I didn't convey myself properly!
But I restated what I meant . Can you take a look please and tell me if you agree? Thanks mace.

 

[tbonexl]

old muscle mike ,I agree with how your going about this and what your telling the op about where the info is coming from! Your dead nuts on!
I restated my post because I believe. It was taken outta content and maybe I didn't convey myself properly!
But I restated what I meant . Can you take a look please and tell me if you agree? Thanks mace.

60% is a lil generous on the effectiveness. Yes, ralox is preffered over nolva but ralox has its negatives too over long periods of time.

 

[Megatron28]

Megatron28 I'm reading that tamoxifen can also be used to reverse gyno by running at 40 mg a day. Is this something you have experienced or is it required to use raloxifene? Also I'm not running hcg. I didn't have a hard time coming off my cycle the last time so I figured I wouldnt have any issues this time either. Last cycle was test and tren too

Did you read that thread I recommended? It started that Ralox is preferred but Tamox is the next best choice.

You should use hCG on cycle. It helps minimize tragic atrophy which in turn makes it easier to recover during PCT. just don't use hCG during PCT.

 

[Macedog24]

Here is one more thread the op should read ! This is an all in one thread! This is. Avery good read and hopefully helps you understand a little more about estrogen control

Arimadex vs. Aromasin - Pharma - Forums - T Nation
https://forums.t-nation.com ***8250; arimadex-v...

 

[Macedog24]

Did you read that thread I recommended? It started that Ralox is preferred by Tamox is the next best choice.

steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/675497-ology-frequently-asked-questions.html

You should use hCG on cycle. It helps minimize tragic atrophy which in turn makes it easier to recover during PCT. just don't use hCG during PCT.

There is great info in here op make sure to listen to megatron and read all the info and stickies you can . The more info you read the better

 

[Megatron28]

Here is something you can read! Maybe my text was taken out of content ! Getting bloodwork is a must! Don't run nolva with Adex ! Reduces its effectiveness up to 60% ,this also goes for letro. What I was suggesting was maybe to switch to aromasin! You must be aggressive within reason and crushing e2 is just as bad as your e2 being out of control! And never start your cycle without having everything you need on hand! Does this sound right megatron?
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In this case, I don't think so. His issue isn't the choice of AI or likely the dose. His issue is that he started a cycle of an aromatizable compound at a high dose without using an AI.

Now that he presumably has gyno, he needs to keep E2 at a healthy level and start using Ralox (or Tamox) to try and reduce the gyno.

As for the effects of Tamox reducing the effectiveness of Tamoxifen, that has been exaggerated and may not even be a concern. Jimithing has posted medical studies on this.

As for aromasin, it is a weaker AI than adex. And it is rare to not respond to adex. Plus the fact that his issue is starting the cycle without an AI.

 

[shredder101]

I did read the sticky Megatron. It was saying to run nolva at 40 mgs/day for a week then drop down to 20 mgs/day until the symptoms go away. I have already been running nolva for 2 days at 40 mgs so I guess I'm on the right track. I don't have ralox but I could probably get it by next week, but seems as I already have nolva I might as well give it a shot.

So keep running adex at .5mgs/day?

 

[Macedog24]

In this case, I don't think so. His issue isn't the choice of AI or likely the dose. His issue is that he started a cycle of an aromatizable compound at a high dose without using an AI.

Now that he presumably has gyno, he needs to keep E2 at a healthy level and start using Ralox (or Tamox) to try and reduce the gyno.

As for the effects of Tamox reducing the effectiveness of Tamoxifen, that has been exaggerated and may not even be a concern. Jimithing has posted medical studies on this.

As for aromasin, it is a weaker AI than adex. And it is rare to not respond to adex. Plus the fact that his issue is starting the cycle without an AI.

I agree ,with you about the cause ! No doubt ! Unfortunately with Adex and asin some people respond differently! Most I know prefer Adex then there are some that have an easier time dialing in the dose of asin. It really comes down to personal preference . Thanks for all the feedback also megatron! I don't wanna clutter up this thread with stuff that doesn't belong can I shoot ya a pm

 

[Megatron28]

I did read the sticky Megatron. It was saying to run nolva at 40 mgs/day for a week then drop down to 20 mgs/day until the symptoms go away. I have already been running nolva for 2 days at 40 mgs so I guess I'm on the right track. I don't have ralox but I could probably get it by next week, but seems as I already have nolva I might as well give it a shot.

So keep running adex at .5mgs/day?

Given you bodfat % and Test dose, I think that is too much Adex. I would try .25 daily and assess the effectiveness with blood work.

You could have Ralox in a few days if you order now for RUI. But continue Tamox in the meantime.

 

[shredder101]

I'm in Canada, so I'm not sure if that makes a difference. I can probably get my hands on it here though. Is there actually a significant difference between tamoxifen and raloxifene?

 

[Megatron28]

I'm in Canada, so I'm not sure if that makes a difference. I can probably get my hands on it here though. Is there actually a significant difference between tamoxifen and raloxifene?

Read the studies and you decide.