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[sibtain05]

Hey I'm new to this forum and I would really appreciate some advice in regards to my queries.

My body had a very skinny structure thus i was on the weight gainer Precision Big Time for the past two year. And amidst lifting for 2 years, I have experienced very satisfying growth. My training of two years has been fully clean, with usage of only that weight gainer and eating really healthy.

Now recently, one of my friends suggested a use a steriod called Dbol (ORAL). He said use it with milk thistle or liv 52, and that should keep you safe. I just shrugged away the idea becasue i want to keep my system clean and healthy. However i got interested in researching its positive and negative effects. the positive effect ofcourse was immediate gain in muscle, but the negative effect seem to be a lot more.

Could someone please confirm these negative effects with some legit proof:

1.) All the muscles gained by dbol will fade away upon getting off dbol.
2.) Intense acne.
3.) shut down of natural testosterone.
4.) Intense damage to liver and kidney.

 

[barrysanders]

WOW. Welcome bro!

First thing I want to know is your stats please???? Particularly- Age, height, weight, and short and long term goals.

1.) Very Possible
2.) Depends on the person and the ancillaries used
3.) Yes, if the right things are not done
4.) Again, very possible if the right things are not done.

Some advice---oral cycles are more hurtful to the body than taking a needle and injecting the steroids into your body!!!!!!!!!!!

I'd suggest you stay around and use the "search" button to look shit up...lol.. I'll be waiting for your stats.

 

[mistah187]

first off what how old are you?

to annwer ur questions...shut down is for sure. u can damage ur liver for sure. acne depends on person to person and keeping muscle always depends on diet and training. i would stay away for a while. stick around here and do some searches with the search tool. oral cycles r never a good idea.

i would start ur search in the stickys. first being oral only cycles. get as much info as u can before making any decisions. then maybe look into 3j. a good diet can give the results you are looking for. weight gainers r not the answer. so if you got some results from them you can get some great results from proper nutrition.

 

[sibtain05]

Thanks for quick response.

Age: 22
Height: 5' 10
Weight: 67kg

I guess my goal is just to put on mass, which is not easy for me given the fact that i generally have a skinny body structure. Though i have gained quite a lot, i do want to put on a lot more mass fast. is there any specific type of steroid that wouldn't let the gained results fade away upon withdrawal?

Also, would anyone recommend taking dbol a certain way (eg. with milk thistle) to reduce the neg effects. And how can one maintain muscle growth from dbol after getting off dbol?

 

[sibtain05]

I'd greatly appreciate any answers

 

[Iron Giant]

Also, would anyone recommend taking dbol a certain way (eg. with milk thistle) to reduce the neg effects. And how can one maintain muscle growth from dbol after getting off dbol?

You should always have a test base, without it you're going to have a VERY hard time keeping any gains. Milk thistle will only mitigate the liver side, nothing else. Use the search bar and look for beginner cycles - 12 weeks of test @ 500-600mg/week is the standard.
Here's the sticky on oral cycles:
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/598646-oral-cycles.html

 

[killingtime]

You should make sure you have a proper post cycle therapy (pct) setup and ready to go, to maximise amount of gains kept after coming off cycle, otherwise it is a waste.

 

[sibtain05]

You should always have a test base, without it you're going to have a VERY hard time keeping any gains. Milk thistle will only mitigate the liver side, nothing else. Use the search bar and look for beginner cycles - 12 weeks of test @ 500-600mg/week is the standard.
Here's the sticky on oral cycles:
steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/598646-oral-cycles.html

So you're suggesting I take test prior to any dbol sort of supplements?

 

[Iron Giant]

So you're suggesting I take test prior to any dbol sort of supplements?

Not until your ready for a cycle. i.e. you still need more research, because dbol isn't a supplement...

 

[staxs]

If you are set on taking gear i do recommend it above PH (prohormones) as its just better all around for your liver other then oral AAS. Never run dbol without a test base. I would use milk thistle on cycle and increase your protein to 200g a day, 4000-5000 calories a day.
I would run Test E at 500mg/wk for 10weeks. And dbol at 30mg a day for 4 weeks tops. split doses 1 at breakfast, 1 before training, and another 3 hrs after training. I would also purchase some adex and nolva for post cycle and on cycle support. Adex used on cycle if you start to get alot of bloat. Seeing as you have never ran a cycle before you dont know if your prone to estro and gyno sides. If you start getting alot of bloat suggest .5mg of adex EOD to ED. For your PCT I would run
nolva 40,40,20,20. Day 1-14 40mg a day, 15-30 20mg a day.

 

[sibtain05]

If you are set on taking gear i do recommend it above PH (prohormones) as its just better all around for your liver other then oral AAS. Never run dbol without a test base. I would use milk thistle on cycle and increase your protein to 200g a day, 4000-5000 calories a day.
I would run Test E at 500mg/wk for 10weeks. And dbol at 30mg a day for 4 weeks tops. split doses 1 at breakfast, 1 before training, and another 3 hrs after training. I would also purchase some adex and nolva for post cycle and on cycle support. Adex used on cycle if you start to get alot of bloat. Seeing as you have never ran a cycle before you dont know if your prone to estro and gyno sides. If you start getting alot of bloat suggest .5mg of adex EOD to ED. For your PCT I would run
nolva 40,40,20,20. Day 1-14 40mg a day, 15-30 20mg a day.

Hey Staxs,

Thanks for the info. I just have a few questions b/c i'm very new to all these intakes.

So if i'm correct, you suggest that I should take Test-E for 10 weeks along with dbol for 4 weeks. And if i experience any bloating, i should take adex. What exactly is PH, bloating and this post cycle therapy (pct)? And is this all oral or injections?

Also, would you be able to create a week to week outline if its not too much trouble :s . I'd really appreciate your help.

 

[Virtuous]

Search button, bro, can you use it?

Everything you need to know and every question you're asking has been posted here ad nauseam. That being said-

PCT = post cycle therapy
PH = pro hormone
Bloating = occurs from high estrogen, foreign androgens in the body, etc. Sort of par for the course with steroid use, especially with "wet" compounds like dbol. You can minimize this with an aromatase inhibitor such as Aromasin.

 

[sibtain05]

thx virtuous and i have been searchin for weeks now tryin to get my mind around things. I m just lookin for proper guidance, not attitude mate.

I understand this much:

Week 1 -4: Test e (500mg/week) + Dbol (30mg/day)
Week 5-10: Test e ONLY (500mg/week)

After all this, do PCT for 30 days:
Nolva: Day 1-14 40mg a day, 15-30 20mg a day.


Questions:

1.)How long after finishing my 10 weeks, do i start PCT?

2.)Is this all Oral form?

3.)How do divide the Test e dose of 500mg/week?

 

[Iron Giant]

thx virtuous and i have been searchin for weeks now tryin to get my mind around things. I m just lookin for proper guidance, not attitude mate.

I understand this much:

Week 1 -4: Test e (500mg/week) + Dbol (30mg/day)
Week 5-10: Test e ONLY (500mg/week)

After all this, do PCT for 30 days:
Nolva: Day 1-14 40mg a day, 15-30 20mg a day.


Questions:

1.)How long after finishing my 10 weeks, do i start PCT?

2.)Is this all Oral form?

3.)How do divide the Test e dose of 500mg/week?

Extend your cycle to 12 weeks, 10 is too short in my opinion. Test-e doesn't kick in till week 4 and peak until week 6.

Weeks 1-4: D-bol (if you must....I would just stick to test for a first run)
Weeks 1-12: Test-E @ 500mg/week (2, 250mg shots every 3.5 days. e.g. Monday morning and Thursday night)
Weeks 2-14: Aromasin @ 12.5mg ED or EOD...OR...Adex @ .25-.50mg EOD (this is you AI).
Weeks 15-18: PCT of clomid @ 50/50/50/50 and nolva @ 40/40/20/20

Optional: hcg. Blast for 10 days after last test-e pin @ 500iu's per day sub-Q.

1) PCT starts 14-16 days after your last test pin if using long esters like E or C.
2) No. Dbol is oral, Test is injectable ONLY.
3) See above.

*Get some liver support if you choose to run dbol.
**Make sure you have blood work done before cycle and 4-6 weeks after PCT as a minimum.

 

[sibtain05]

Extend your cycle to 12 weeks, 10 is too short in my opinion. Test-e doesn't kick in till week 4 and peak until week 6.

Weeks 1-4: D-bol (if you must....I would just stick to test for a first run)
Weeks 1-12: Test-E @ 500mg/week (2, 250mg shots every 3.5 days. e.g. Monday morning and Thursday night)
Weeks 2-14: Aromasin @ 12.5mg ED or EOD...OR...Adex @ .25-.50mg EOD (this is you AI).
Weeks 15-18: PCT of clomid @ 50/50/50/50 and nolva @ 40/40/20/20

Optional: hcg. Blast for 10 days after last test-e pin @ 500iu's per day sub-Q.

1) PCT starts 14-16 days after your last test pin if using long esters like E or C.
2) No. Dbol is oral, Test is injectable ONLY.
3) See above.

*Get some liver support if you choose to run dbol.
**Make sure you have blood work done before cycle and 4-6 weeks after PCT as a minimum.

Thanks a ton man, that was essentially all the info i needed. Just a few more silly questions and i promise I'll be done lol.

1.) Are clomid, nolva, hcg injections too?
2.) Do i take clomid and nolva at the same time of day?
3.) Whats the need of Aromasin and HCG?
4.) Where can i buy all these from lol?

Also, I read in the sticky Massive Newbie Info that one should take anti estrogen from day 1 rather than wait for the effects to appear. And if Clomid and Nolva are used amidst PCT, what anti estrogen should be used from day 1?

 

[sibtain05]

Furthermore, in the sticky it was mentioned that the clomid dose should be 300mg for start, then 100mg, ang 50mg last 10 days?

 

[sibtain05]

I'm looking to get all this started, response plz

 

[juandohh]

these guys in here are going to tell you to not do aas, to research first then ask questions, lift heavy and eat right. They are serious about eating right, but I doubt they are going to spoon feed you bro.

 

[sibtain05]

these guys in here are going to tell you to not do aas, to research first then ask questions, lift heavy and eat right. They are serious about eating right, but I doubt they are going to spoon feed you bro.

yeh i knw i have done all that. i'm just hoping to obtain some trust so i can be guided to a legit source instead of googling stuff and riskin my health

 

[Fisher28]

Bro make sure you understand everything. The side effects of each compound. How to prevent side effects from getting worse. Dossages of each compound. And Make sure you understand everything about your post cycle therapy (pct). Make sure you have an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on hand. If you want to keep the gains that you have made make sure your diet is in check and your post cycle therapy (pct). Make sure your diet is in check even before you start a cycle. Head over to the diet fourm and post your diet there. There are a lot of great guys on here that will help you out. Just make sure you do all your research. You can find everything you need to know just by looking at all the threads on here. Btw if you do a test only cycle IMO i dont think Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is necessary. Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is for heavy cycles. I would save the dbol for a second cycle. You want to know how your body reacts to the test before you start adding different compounds in. You will have plenty of Good gains from a test only cycle. And If you do take the dbol which i dont suggest for your first cycle at all. Make sure you take Liv. 52 with it. VERY IMPORTANT. This is what i think your Very First Cycle Should Look Like!

Weeks 1-12: test-E @ 500mg/week (2 250mg shots every 3.5 days. e.g. Monday and Thursday)

Weeks 2-14: Aromasin @ 12.5mg EOD(AI) I have an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on hand incase something happens and havnt used it yet. But better safe than sry Bro.

Weeks 15-18: post cycle therapy (pct) of Nolva: 40/40/20/20 (Can run clomid also But im not for my test only cycle. Might change my mind tho and get some.)

If you have any other question just ask. Good Luck If you decide to run it Bro!