Help! cycle help...

[syko]

hi, first i want to say that i am learning alot from reading all these posts and am glad i found this site!

I was wondering what would be the best cycle for me, this would be my first major cycle, where i have use Winstrol (winny) before, but only for a month to get lean.
I am 6'2, 262 lbs with 15% bf and cutting at this point to 10%bf. I have been working out for 5 years where i trained diehard for the past three years, and the previous two on a regular basis.

I would appreciate some reccomended stacks to use for optimal mass gains with the least loss when the cycle is finished. ALso i would appreciate a suggested "price" (ballpark figure) that i am looking at for that particular cycle. Also id appreciate a suggested aftercycle stack with stuff like clomid etc.

I was told that a that i should start off with a stack of test prop with dbol and e/q. He told me a bunch of figures and i got confused so im turning to you guys!

thanks for taking the time to read this.

--House

 

[pipes]

You should try the good old sustenon, deca, d-bol stack
deca 400mg/week for weeks 1-8
deca 200mg/week for weeks 9-10
Sustenon 500mg/week for weeks 1-8
Sustenon 250mg/week for weeks 9-10
D-bol 30mg/d weeks 1-4
d-bol 20mg/d week 5
d-bole10mg/d week 6
Have some nolvadex or letroxole around to prevent gyno and limit water retention.
Start clomid use three weeks after last shot of deca and sustenon
This cycle should be good for at least 20 lbs of solid lean mass gains
As far as prices d-bols $0.5-1/tab
Sustenon amps $18-22/amp
Deca $18-22/amp
These are just rough estimates

 

[Eze]

How about a Test Cycle (cheap and very effective)

500mg for 10 weeks. I would choose Test Enan or Test Cyp.
2 weeks after last shot, start PCT.

 

[JohnnyB]

Bro what are your stats with age?

JohnnyB

 

[JohnnyB]

You should try the good old sustenon, deca, d-bol stack
deca 400mg/week for weeks 1-8
deca 200mg/week for weeks 9-10
Sustenon 500mg/week for weeks 1-8
Sustenon 250mg/week for weeks 9-10
D-bol 30mg/d weeks 1-4
d-bol 20mg/d week 5
d-bole10mg/d week 6

There's no need to pyramid

JohnnyB

 

[panteracfh]

your first cycle you should do 500mg test enan or cyp for 10 weeks...that should only run you about 150-200$...if you want throw some dbol in at 30mg for the first 4 weeks...all together this is only like around 250$-300$ Tops...local gym sources are usually expensive so thats my estimate... clomid after is 300mg day one....next 10 days 100mg....last 10 days 50mg....stick with test only or test/dbol for your first...then add in deca or eq or whatever...

 

[StoneColdNTO]

You should try the good old sustenon, deca, d-bol stack
deca 400mg/week for weeks 1-8
deca 200mg/week for weeks 9-10
Sustenon 500mg/week for weeks 1-8
Sustenon 250mg/week for weeks 9-10
D-bol 30mg/d weeks 1-4
d-bol 20mg/d week 5
d-bole10mg/d week 6
Have some nolvadex or letroxole around to prevent gyno and limit water retention.
Start clomid use three weeks after last shot of deca and sustenon
This cycle should be good for at least 20 lbs of solid lean mass gains
As far as prices d-bols $0.5-1/tab
Sustenon amps $18-22/amp
Deca $18-22/amp
These are just rough estimates

Wow.......all that for what basically amounts to a first cycle....I think NOT !!

Pryamiding serves no usefull purpose what so ever.
Nolvadex will not prevent water retention.
Letrozole should not be run with Nolvadex.
Love your prices.....LMFAO
....and 20lbs solid lean mass ?????

A much more appropriate cycle would be a single ester Test @ 500mg/wk for 8-10 weeks.

 

[syko]

Thanks for the replies so far, but i dunno which one to use now since there are those three suggested...id go with easto as ive already learned alot from him, but the stack...i have no idea as far as stacking...it looks a little too extreme for a first cycle in my openion and as far as ive learned...i think ill go with the test cycle that easto suggested where ill prolly use test enan...@ 500 mg for 10 weeks..
the one Q i have for easto is.. 500 mg a week right? are you referring to test powder or injectable @ 500 mg...? and if its powder, should i convert it to injectables? with the BA and BB system?
my stats are:
262 lbs
15% bf, but cutting right now to 10% bf
6'2
extremely wide shoulders/36 inch waist.( will go to 34 when i reach 10%)
Have been training hardcore for 4 years now
19 years old...i know i know...im assuming that you guys will suggest that i should wait, but i really want to get to the point where i can start competing...i am training with the goals to make it for my pro card if i can.

thanks

 

[hisswoleness]

18-22 for an amp of sustanon......HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.....little cheaper bud

 

[syko]

by the way, my goal is to hit 325 lbs at 8-10% bf....

 

[panteracfh]

eventually right? not this cycle...

 

[syko]

yeah eventually...im setting a reasonable range goal to hit 325lbs by im saying...next new years...hopefully sooner..but...i dunno...i gain mass easily in my openion...i would say that im an easygainer...sometimes a hardgainer depending on what diet im on and how i feel etc...
but lately, ive been seeing muscle gains which are pretty noticeable in a month...significant increases for some reason

 

[syko]

anybody have any suggestions?? i want to start my cycle around january so....please let me know

 

[Makaveli_786]

I suggest you ride off your surging muscle gains as of late then hit the juice... you seem like a big lad but I think 500 mg/test a week for 10 weeks maybe 12 will still be enough for some good solid gains and your cycle history

 

[Makaveli_786]

As far as prices d-bols $0.5-1/tab
Sustenon amps $18-22/amp
Deca $18-22/amp
These are just rough estimates

Damn you must be buying from an online pharmacy... theyr the only ones who sell steroids that expensive to my knowledge!

 

[syko]

yeah im thinking of taking test for 10-12 weeks with some dbol to kick start the cycle. What kind of test should i take for best results? and how should i use the dbol? that is if i should use it along with the test..

 

[fatchops]

Well if your trying to cut....i would say run test@500mg/wk 10 weeks and get your diet and cardio in check and you can def reach your goal bro.

 

[pipes]

Wow.......all that for what basically amounts to a first cycle....I think NOT !!

Pryamiding serves no usefull purpose what so ever.
Nolvadex will not prevent water retention.
Letrozole should not be run with Nolvadex.
Love your prices.....LMFAO
....and 20lbs solid lean mass ?????

A much more appropriate cycle would be a single ester Test @ 500mg/wk for 8-10 weeks.

Judging by his goals of getting to 300+lbs eventually I think he wants a little more than just test esters. Shure he could lower the dosage of the deca and sust to 200/250mg per week as his receptors are still fresh. I didn't mean to run nolva and letro at the same time, I was just giving him some options to choose from. As far as the tapering down at the end of the cycle. Is that not nessesary because sustenon is a self tapering roid? I have always thought that it was best to taper down doses so that your body doesn't crash from high amounts of test to zero. And finally those prices were only rough estimates and they are in Canadian dollars.

 

[pipes]

Damn you must be buying from an online pharmacy... theyr the only ones who sell steroids that expensive to my knowledge!

These are in Canadian $ not in British Pounds.

 

[JRfromTN]

these sound like blackmarket prices and when i first started these were the prices a bro from the street gave me

if you dont get a direct source your going to pay the middle man
or blackmarket prices