Help with bloodwork ( Low T) ??

[cbman2184]

23
210lbs
6'0

Cycle history-
Couple of prohormone cycles years ago ( with PCT)
Early this year had a 600mg Test E cycle ( PCT-Clomid,nolva,HCG blast)

I have been off pct for a couple of months and really i feel great. But my bloodwork come back with low Total Testosterone.I have a couple of questions about this.

I have been taking Bridge by NTBM.. which contains a compound called progenelone (15mg daily). Is this going to suppress my level?? What do you guys recomend to help restore my test level??




LH- 3.8 mIU/mL 1.7-8.6
FSH- .09 mIU/mL 1.5-12.4
Testosterone, Serum- 352 ng/dl 348- 1197

 

[DreDay187]

23
210lbs
6'0

Cycle history-
Couple of prohormone cycles years ago ( with post cycle therapy (pct))
Early this year had a 600mg Test E cycle ( post cycle therapy (pct)-Clomid,nolva,HCG blast)

I have been off post cycle therapy (pct) for a couple of months and really i feel great. But my bloodwork come back with low Total Testosterone.I have a couple of questions about this.

I have been taking Bridge by NTBM.. which contains a compound called progenelone (15mg daily). Is this going to suppress my level?? What do you guys recomend to help restore my test level??




LH- 3.8 mIU/mL
FSH- .09 mIU/mL
Testosterone, Serum- 352 ng/dl

You need to include reference ranges for the values. Did you do pre-cycle bloods? What's your post cycle therapy (pct) look like?

 

[cbman2184]

Did not do pre cycle bloods.

My Pct was
Hcg blast 5000iu (10 days) Then clomid 50/50/50/50 Nolva 20/20/20/20

 

[Austinite]

Yeah post cycle therapy (pct) failed. production is in the gutter and not a whole lot of boys swimming. Terrible numbers for your age. Sorry to see this man, but at least you feel OK. Might want to test again in a month to see if these numbers are declining further, then you may need to blast hCG again. That hCG blast wasnt enough crank because nothing was stimulating LH on cycle.

 

[cbman2184]

Yeah PCT failed. production is in the gutter and not a whole lot of boys swimming.

What do you recommend to try and restart? Clomid again or triptorelin?

 

[Austinite]

Well at this stage it's best to seek professional assistance from a certified physician. But if you wanted to attempt this on your own, you could try hCG @ 500 IU EOD for 3 weeks, then clomid @ 50mg mon/wed/fri for 3 months.

If you're not comfortable with clomid you can use toremifene.

 

[cbman2184]

What do u guys think, bump???

 

[cbman2184]

202 views, 1 opinion on this? are you kidding?

 

[Megatron28]

That's because he gave you a good opinion. Not much else to add. Were you hoping for a different answer?

 

[DreDay187]

What's wrong with Austinite's advice?

 

[clman8585]

TRT is your other option

 

[OldSchoolLifter]

your borderline shut down, I would do the following and run labs again.

Clomid 50/50/50/50
Aromasin 12.5/12.5/12.5/12.5

This should be enough to get your FSH higher and intern raise your LH and Serum levels.

 

[DreDay187]

your borderline shut down, I would do the following and run labs again.

Clomid 50/50/50/50
Aromasin 12.5/12.5/12.5/12.5

This should be enough to get your FSH higher and intern raise your LH and Serum levels.

I don't think aromasin is the best choice here.

 

[cbman2184]

What's wrong with Austinite's advice?

Nothing he gave me great advise! What is wrong with wanting a second opinion!!?? . Maybe someone had a protocol that worked for them. I dont want to join the testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) club yet.

 

[clman8585]

Ai in conjunction with serm has been shown to raise test higher than serm alone

 

[Austinite]

AI's raise testosterone, however, effective doses and the necessity for prolonged usage are also dangerous for E2 levels.

 

[OldSchoolLifter]

I don't think aromasin is the best choice here.

Its a type II inhibitor, Clomid time and time again even at 50mg will raise his e2 to counter productive levels. Since he is already semi recovered, 12.5mg/ed will destroy just enough of the aromatase enzyme, leaving him with a perfect level of e2 that will be productive to his recovery.

 

[DreDay187]

Its a type II inhibitor, Clomid time and time again even at 50mg will raise his e2 to counter productive levels. Since he is already semi recovered, 12.5mg/ed will destroy just enough of the aromatase enzyme, leaving him with a perfect level of e2 that will be productive to his recovery.

As Austinite mentioned, We have no idea what his E2 levels currently are plus aromasin is a steroidal Aromatase inhibitor (AI) which could hinder things further.

 

[OldSchoolLifter]

As Austinite mentioned, We have no idea what his E2 levels currently are plus aromasin is a steroidal Aromatase inhibitor (AI) which could hinder things further.

Can you elaborate to me how a steroidal Aromatase inhibitor (AI) will hinder anything further? It works by forming a permanent bond to the aromatase enzyme rendering it inactive. Even at 25mg Aromasin/ed my e2 stays around 25-35 I'm recommending he stays at 12.5 just to combat the estro rebound he will encounter while using clomid to further his recover.

If he uses adex, all he will be doing is blocking the aromatase enzyme. The second he discontinues use, he will rebound.

 

[cbman2184]

Can you elaborate to me how a steroidal Aromatase inhibitor (AI) will hinder anything further? It works by forming a permanent bond to the aromatase enzyme rendering it inactive. Even at 25mg Aromasin/ed my e2 stays around 25-35 I'm recommending he stays at 12.5 just to combat the estro rebound he will encounter while using clomid to further his recover.

If he uses adex, all he will be doing is blocking the aromatase enzyme. The second he discontinues use, he will rebound.

I would have posted up my E2 level but it wasent on the lab. It said additional testing was required. I didnt mean to stirr up a rats nest here.. just wanting some more advise

so you are saying that aromasin is superior Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to Arimidex because of the E2 rebound when you come off of the arimidex?