HEP in TEST 300 and EQ 300 cycle with injury on shoulder story. serious help needed.

[M.seag]

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PLEASE HELP WITH TIPS, ADVICE, WORKOUT HELP ETC.
ALSO KEEP THE SARCASM AND LECTURES TO YOURSELVES THANK YOU

PLEASE HELP WITH TIPS, ADVICE, WORKOUT HELP ETC.
ALSO KEEP THE SARCASM AND LECTURES TO YOURSELVES THANK YOU

I'm currently 22yrs. old 5'10 215 and I'm going to be running a cycle of test 300 and eq 300. I was thinking using a 23 or 25ga. 1 inch needle. I'm looking for any tips, advice, and workouts to help bulk while still cut. I understand I'm young and the goals I want to achieve can be done naturally but I had two Labral slap tears, dislocated shoulder, and tore part of my bicep were it connected with my shoulder and it has been a task to get the gains and strength back to where I was a year ago.

Current pre-cycle picture


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This is my current workout my workout ..

15 reps 3 sets each, light rest; bike or treadmill/ elliptical 7 to start.. 7 to finish..


Monday

Incline Dumbbell Flys
Abs. 10reps

Leg Press
Abs. 10reps

Front Raises
Abs. 10reps

Lat Pulldowns
Abs. 10reps

E-Z Bar Curls
Abs. 10reps

Close Grip Bench Incline
Abs. 10reps



Wednesday

Dumbbell Bench
Abs. 10 reps

Weighted Box Jumps
Abs. 10 reps

Inverted Rows
Abs. 10 reps

Cables
Abs. 10 reps

Dips
Abs. 10 reps



Friday

Wide Grip Bench
Abs. 10 reps

Single Leg Squat
Abs. 10 reps

Reverse Flys (Cables)
Abs. 10 reps

Heavy Curl
Abs. 10 reps

Pull Downs or Push Downs

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Abs. 10 reps

 

[swoleup]

You are a lil' young to start aas right now. With that being said you are going to do what you want to do anyway. I like to run my test 100 to 200 mgs. higher than deca. It's my experience when i go over 400 mgs. of deca I get "deca dick". So I keep test around 5-600 mgs. when I use both. I'm also 38 yrs old and started aas in 1994 so results may vary. I am not condoning a 20 year old use a gram of gear. I only play a doctor on t.v....

 

[Infantry87]

honestly bro your still young. At 20 yrs old you have plenty of natty test to get you the gains as long as diet is in check.

 

[M.seag]

honestly bro your still young. At 20 yrs old you have plenty of natty test to get you the gains as long as diet is in check.

Understood and thanks for the input but the gains for me are quite difficult being that I tore my shoulder up from football. I had two Labral slap tears, dislocated shoulder, and tore part of my bicep were it connected with my shoulder. It been a task to get the gains and strength back to where I was and its been a year with serious training with no results.

 

[M.seag]

You are a lil' young to start aas right now. With that being said you are going to do what you want to do anyway. I like to run my test 100 to 200 mgs. higher than deca. It's my experience when i go over 400 mgs. of deca I get "deca dick". So I keep test around 5-600 mgs. when I use both. I'm also 38 yrs old and started aas in 1994 so results may vary. I am not condoning a 20 year old use a gram of gear. I only play a doctor on t.v....

Understood and thanks for the input but the gains for me are quite difficult being that I tore my shoulder up from football. I had two Labral slap tears, dislocated shoulder, and tore part of my bicep were it connected with my shoulder. It been a task to get the gains and strength back to where I was and its been a year with serious training with no results.

 

[crazyfmike]

My advice is : DON'T USE THIS SHIT UNTIL YOU'RE 27.

 

[M.seag]

My advice is : DON'T USE THIS SHIT UNTIL YOU'RE 27.

I understand I'm young and the goals I want to achieve can be done naturally but I had two Labral slap tears, dislocated shoulder, and tore part of my bicep were it connected with my shoulder and it has been a task to get the gains and strength back to where I was a year ago.

 

[tman55]

sent you a pm bro

 

[Kane_Red_Machine]

Yes tman55 know for sure what his an injury on shoulder.

 

[M.seag]

Yes tman55 know for sure what his an injury on shoulder.

I'm sorry what was that?

 

[Kane_Red_Machine]

I'm sorry what was that?

Tman55 got a serious injury on his right shoulder about 2 years ago. he knows he will talk about cycles and this kind of problem.

Don't make multiple thread with same questions. thanx.

 

[M.seag]

Tman55 got a serious injury on his right shoulder about 2 years ago. he knows he will talk about cycles and this kind of problem.

Don't make multiple thread with same questions. thanx.

ohh alright thanks man

 

[Kane_Red_Machine]

ohh alright thanks man

you're wellcome, i got myself some trouble with two shoulders, and it's a thing than it have to be under control, cause it a sh*tty injury which make some times one year or so to be heald.

for your cycle, test and EQ are great together, notify than EQ is nothing more than a testosterone derivative, closer of dbol structarly but with different efffects.

300mg/week have already a great effect on procollagen I II III, read the thread posted by StonecoldNTO 2 years ago about it.

 

[M.seag]

you're wellcome, i got myself some trouble with two shoulders, and it's a thing than it have to be under control, cause it a sh*tty injury which make some times one year or so to be heald.

for your cycle, test and EQ are great together, notify than EQ is nothing more than a testosterone derivative, closer of dbol structarly but with different efffects.

300mg/week have already a great effect on procollagen I II III, read the thread posted by StonecoldNTO 2 years ago about it.

Good I'm glad to hear Test and EQ work good together because I originally was going to run Test and Sus but I was a bit iffy about that. And I can relate the shoulder thing you have as well it sucks even after surgery, working out without seeing results sucks especially when you don't but still fight through the pain.

 

[Kane_Red_Machine]

this the article of StonecoldNTO :

Increase skeletal muscle & collagen synthesis with certain AAS

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(originally posted by AnimalMass)

While injecting test increases protein synthesis by roughly 50 times, depending on dose and time, most bodybuilders forget that it will reduce collagen synthesis by more than 50% -- more like 80%, giving you the collagen synthesis rate of a senior citizen. Since collagen makes up tendons, bros are very prone to injury if they continue to lift very heavy, unless they cycle off T and let their collagen synthesis get back to normal. It's like having the skeletal muscle of a gorilla with the tendons of a very old man.

Winstrol increases collagen synthesis. It will give you bigger tendons. However, your body compensates for this by making them more brittle, weaker, and more prone to injury. I can't tell you how many bros work out anaerobically and become injured while on winstrol. Guys who lift in the 1-5 rep range while on winstrol, to baseball players who sprint all out from a stationary position -- winstrol should be the LAST drug they choose. Most of them like winstrol because they don't get the weight gain from it but it is very detrimental to bros who train for any sport anaerobically. Tendons tear easily on it.

Also, the drugs I mention increase collagen synthesis while also increasing collagen cross-linking integrity, making for a much stronger tendon.

Winstrol, on the other hand, will dramatically increase collagen syn, but ironically it decreases collagen cross-linking integrity, thus making a much weaker tendon.

You can plan a cycle of AAS which will increase collagen synthesis and skeletal muscle growth at the same time. The key is the drug(s) you choose.

Deca, Equipoise, Anavar, and Primobolan will ALL increase skeletal muscle while at the same time dramatically increase collagen syn and bone mass and density, leaving you with a substantially reduced chance of becoming injured than if you choose to use AAS like sus, cyp, or enth.

While testosterone will increase bone mass and density, even at supra-physiological levels, the result is weaker tendons due to inhibition of collagen syn.

To plan a cycle where the goal is to increase skeletal muscle mass/strength while at the same time increase joint/tendon/ligament strength, enough to keep up with the dramatic increase in skeletal muscle, you must choose drugs like Eq, Deca, Anavar, or Primo as the base of your cycle. Testosterone and its esters can be added to your cycle to keep levels within a 'normal' physiological range (ie, 100-200 mg/wk) but must not go above this. Since drugs like eq, deca, anavar and primo will reduce endogenous, natural levels of test, these levels may be maintained with exogenous test in the 100-200 mg/wk range. Test at this dose will not inhibit collagen syn, but paradoxically, will help increase it. It is when exogenous testosterone is used > 200 mg/wk that collagen syn is inhibited.

Deca @ 3 mg/kg a week(about 270 mg/wk for a 200 lb male) will increase procollagen III levels by 270% by week 2. Procollagen III is a primary indicator used to determine the rate of collagen syn. As you can see, deca is a very good drug at giving you everything you want -- an increase in collagen syn, an increase in skeletal muscle, and increases in bone mass and density. The one thing it does not give you is wood.

Primobolan, @ 5 mg/kg, will increase collagen synthesis by roughly 180% -- less than deca and equipoise but still substantial.

Equipoise @ 3 mg/kg will increase procollagen III by approximately 340% -- slightly better than deca.

Oxandrolone has over a hundred studies documenting its effectiveness at treating patients needing rapid increases in collagen syn to enhance healing.

These drugs have longer half-lives than most other AAS, so this should be considered when timing your post cycle Clomid use. Here they are:

Deca: 15 days Equipoise: 14 days Primobolan: 10.5 days

Anavar has a half-life of only 8 hours so it should not pose a problem.

GH is probably the most remarkable drug at increasing collagen synthesis. It increases collagen syn in a dose dependant manner -- the more you use, the more you will increase collagen syn. It has also demonstrated this ability in short and long term studies. From what I've read, hGH at 6 iu/day increased the collagen deposition rate by around 250% in damaged collagen structures. This result indicates that the increased biomechanical strength of wounds to collagen structures treated with biosynthetic human growth hormone was produced by an increased deposition of collagen in the collagen structures.

Eq, primo, anavar, and deca are all good -- they increase several biomakers of collagen syn -- ie, type III, II, I, procollagen markers. GH just seems to do so most dramatically.

Use of any of these drugs @ supra-physiological levels with a maintenance dose of test will increase collagen syn while at the same time increase skeletal muscle mass. Skeletal muscle mass gains will not be as dramatic as with large testosterone doses but you have to weigh the risk/reward basis for yourself. Also, these drugs do not satisfy the libido like testosterone, but that is not the point of this thread. It is only to demonstrate that you can increase skeletal muscle and collagen syn at the same time with certain AAS -- the decision is up to you.
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i think it's usefull to read this also.

 

[Kane_Red_Machine]

M.seag are 20 or 22 yearsold... the other thread i merged said 20... a mistake?

 

[M.seag]

M.seag are 20 or 22 yearsold... the other thread i merged said 20... a mistake?

yes I'm 22 at the time I didn't know you could edit what you last posted I'm still fairly new at this. But I just read that thread that was a very good article I got a lot of valuable information from it and a few mistakes I would have never known if I haven't read it. Thank you again

 

[M.seag]

Judging on my physique in my picture what do you think of it as of now and what do you all think it will end up like given if I diet and exercise correctly?