Hit a plateau, thinking of trying GH

[madmikecordes]

Hi everyone!
firstly i'd like to say how usefull this site has been i live in the uk and getting good info is nigh on impossible.

so here's my questions i'll give you a little back ground info first.

i'm 28 5'6'' and currently weigh 11stone 11 pounds. arms 15'' calves 15'' neck16'' chest 40'' waiste 30''-32'' depends on the day really and body fat around 10% .

i started training when i was 24 i weighed in at 8and 1/2 stone got up to 9 1/2 quite easily.

when i was 25 i started training more seriously and experimenting with various roids. was doing 200mg of deca and 250mg of sustanon per week. got up to 11 stone quite nicely cut probably down to 7% body fat. the problem was i was getting easily wound up and snapping quite alot people were noticing i was different.
A freind suggested i drop using the sus as this was probably the cause for my aggression. his reasoning was i've allways looked younger than i am so my development has been slower than average. his guessing was (which i trust) that my natural test levels were already high due to my late development and adding more test was going to make me an arse.
stupidly i didn't listen and carried on with the sus untill something happend what i cannot describe (bassiclly went full on nuts you don't need me to go into detail as we all know someone who it has happend to.) and lost all my gains from the insuing depression that followed and went back down to 9 stone.
this past year i have been training harder than ever and really got on top of my diet and have had some great gains. the problem i have now is i feel i have reached a plateu which isn't supprising seeing as i've increased my overall mass by over 30%, i want to do a cycle again but form experiance i know that anything test based doesn't react well with me and is best avoided. i have bought some deca from a good ------- and also have 200iu of hygetropin (before anyone asks yes i've seen the threads!) my goal is to be around 14 stone and was wondering if the deca and GH are likely to help me on my way.

your help is greatly appreciated keep up the good work guys.

mike

 

[barrysanders]

Hi everyone!
firstly i'd like to say how usefull this site has been i live in the uk and getting good info is nigh on impossible.

so here's my questions i'll give you a little back ground info first.

i'm 28 5'6'' and currently weigh 11stone 11 pounds. arms 15'' calves 15'' neck16'' chest 40'' waiste 30''-32'' depends on the day really and body fat around 10% .

i started training when i was 24 i weighed in at 8and 1/2 stone got up to 9 1/2 quite easily.

when i was 25 i started training more seriously and experimenting with various roids. was doing 200mg of deca and 250mg of sustanon per week. got up to 11 stone quite nicely cut probably down to 7% body fat. the problem was i was getting easily wound up and snapping quite alot people were noticing i was different.
A freind suggested i drop using the sus as this was probably the cause for my aggression. his reasoning was i've allways looked younger than i am so my development has been slower than average. his guessing was (which i trust) that my natural test levels were already high due to my late development and adding more test was going to make me an arse.
stupidly i didn't listen and carried on with the sus untill something happend what i cannot describe (bassiclly went full on nuts you don't need me to go into detail as we all know someone who it has happend to.) and lost all my gains from the insuing depression that followed and went back down to 9 stone.
this past year i have been training harder than ever and really got on top of my diet and have had some great gains. the problem i have now is i feel i have reached a plateu which isn't supprising seeing as i've increased my overall mass by over 30%, i want to do a cycle again but form experiance i know that anything test based doesn't react well with me and is best avoided. i have bought some deca from a good source and also have 200iu of hygetropin (before anyone asks yes i've seen the threads!) my goal is to be around 14 stone and was wondering if the deca and GH are likely to help me on my way.

your help is greatly appreciated keep up the good work guys.

mike

First off, your first cycle is off base: "was doing 200mg of deca and 250mg of sustanon per week," I'm surprised that you actually got good gains. What was your PCT like???? I don't have a lot of time can you convert "stones" to "lbs" for me?

YOU NEED to run TEST with this proposed cycle that your wanting to do. I understand that you said that the "Test" made you angry from time to time. However, SUCK IT UP! If your wanting to take this game seriously you need to get over certain issues. Each person has different ways of calming themselves. I would find your median.

Also, how much Deca are you planning on running???

 

[Cobra Strike]

I seriously doubt your at your plateau...I seriously doubt you even eat right or train right cause you sure dont know how to run a cycle right. You said you read the threads...well then you should know that you run test. As far as your anger...shit is all in your head...get some weed and chill.

 

[Cobra Strike]

Dam. Im such an asshole. Its the test hahahhahahha

 

[madmikecordes]

cheers guys here's a few conversions for you
start weight as skinny 24 year old 119lbs
weight now 168lbs

diet:
morning 3 egg omlette 2 slices brown toast shake 1 hour later (maximuscle)

snack cheese and beans on toast (brown)

chicken breast 1 or 2 depending how many i have left

another shake

dinner usually either chilli with mash potato (can't stand rice) or spag with fresh pasta, sometimes steak with jacket spuds. don't tend to deviate from this

7pm usually a veg pizza thin (trying to get the calories up)

9pm big bowel of oats.

as for cycle was thinking of 200mg deca every 4 days 3-4 ius gh ed.

pct is scarce over here can't trust what you're getting

training every other day
day1 chest & shoulders (push)
day3 back & biceps (pull)
day5 legs
haven't done any cardio for about a year if i do cardio the weight just dissapears

 

[madmikecordes]

to give you an idea of my size i was very slight when i started only 5'6'' tall my wrist is 5.75 inches thick. if anyone knows how asthetic conversions work i am by no means a big guy.

 

[madmikecordes]

I seriously doubt your at your plateau...I seriously doubt you even eat right or train right cause you sure dont know how to run a cycle right. You said you read the threads...well then you should know that you run test. As far as your anger...shit is all in your head...get some weed and chill.

as much as i appreciate your input i don't value your advice i was hoping for a time served member to give me some advice.
like my mum allways says if you have nothing nice to say don't say anything!

you doubt i'm training or eating correctly, well if you had read my post you would have seen that i have increased my body mass by over 30%. that happend through good diet and training right and sleeping well. if you are right i can only asume i got these gains through a 3 year constipation or by moving to jupiter.

 

[RJ]

as much as i appreciate your input i don't value your advice i was hoping for a time served member to give me some advice.
like my mum allways says if you have nothing nice to say don't say anything!

you doubt i'm training or eating correctly, well if you had read my post you would have seen that i have increased my body mass by over 30%. that happend through good diet and training right and sleeping well. if you are right i can only asume i got these gains through a 3 year constipation or by moving to jupiter.

well, you may not like what Cobra has to say, but he's right.

Your diet sucks.You may have gained weight in the beginning (like most people do) but the gains you made from the steroids were just that. FROM THE STEROIDS. that is why you lost them. Plus, you worked out for a year before you started juicing. No wonder you think you've plateaud.

All this 'test makes me angry' crap is just that. Crap. Stop making excuses. You need to stick to the basics. Especially since your initial cycles were fucked up as well.

Stick around and learn what it means to gain properly, naturally or with aide of juice, then once you get that down, start putting together a cycle plan that includes Test only. You mention nothing of AIs or dope agonists, or a post cycle therapy (pct) plan, so i'm assuming your hormones were all over the place, thus causing most of your issues, probably why you went nuts. you got a shitload to learn, and no one here is gonna spoon feed you some bullshit just so you can go out and gain 20lbs of water and 'look' big.

Diet, training and rest are the keys to getting big. If you can't figure those out you have no chance. Why don't you post a few pics of you now at 168lbs so we can see what your body comp is like. That will tell volumes.

Good luck.

 

[madmikecordes]

well, you may not like what Cobra has to say, but he's right.

Your diet sucks.You may have gained weight in the beginning (like most people do) but the gains you made from the steroids were just that. FROM THE STEROIDS. that is why you lost them. Plus, you worked out for a year before you started juicing. No wonder you think you've plateaud.

All this 'test makes me angry' crap is just that. Crap. Stop making excuses. You need to stick to the basics. Especially since your initial cycles were fucked up as well.

Stick around and learn what it means to gain properly, naturally or with aide of juice, then once you get that down, start putting together a cycle plan that includes Test only. You mention nothing of AIs or dope agonists, or a post cycle therapy (pct) plan, so i'm assuming your hormones were all over the place, thus causing most of your issues, probably why you went nuts. you got a shitload to learn, and no one here is gonna spoon feed you some bullshit just so you can go out and gain 20lbs of water and 'look' big.

Diet, training and rest are the keys to getting big. If you can't figure those out you have no chance. Why don't you post a few pics of you now at 168lbs so we can see what your body comp is like. That will tell volumes.


Good luck.

your advice i do value thankyou.
will get some pics up of me now and me at 119lbs when i started. the reasoning for my low doses is simply because im half the size of the guys i know who are 300ilbs doing twice the amount.

 

[madmikecordes]

here are pics they are for reference for size not fashion!

i know i hve a bit of fat around the lower abs doesn't bother me i know i can shift it in 2 weeks with cardio only interested in getting bigger at the moment.

 

[Cobra Strike]

OMG bro...you are a little guy! Not trying to be a dick but you got no leg to stand on when it comes to judging a "times served" member of this site. I may not have been on the site for long but I can promise you that just because I only have 200 some posts doesnt mean I dont know shit. Im like a god of knowlege compared to your dumbass. Get off the fucking gear because your body isnt ready for it. The cycle your choosing is completely fukd. You dont even know the proper dosages. I dont even want to go off about your post cycle therapy (pct) plan. If you dont post cycle therapy (pct) then you dont do gear (unless your on trt)..plain and simple. Its pointless. Your diet is also complete shit. It looks like you based it off wives tails you hear in the gym. You need to go to the diet and training forum and get some help. You dont belong on the anabolic forum. Not trying to be a dick but it seems like thats what you need!

 

[RJ]

here are pics they are for reference for size not fashion!

i know i hve a bit of fat around the lower abs doesn't bother me i know i can shift it in 2 weeks with cardio only interested in getting bigger at the moment.

ok, that at least gives us a start.

now, even though you are a short guy, i still think you should be able to get to 185-190 naturally. but since you've already fucked with the endocrine system enough, i would only suggest a test only cycle at this point. WIth an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on hand to control any estrogen issues and a solid post cycle therapy (pct). You said they are scarce where you live. Well, if you can't get post cycle therapy (pct) drugs, you shouldn't be doing juice. Sorry, but without proper recovery methods, you will be worse off than before.

now, barring you can get post cycle therapy (pct) stuff, and you decide to do Test only, first thing we need to do is get your shitty diet straightened out. get over to the diet forum and check out the thread below. 3J will setup you up with agreat plan once you give him all your info.

Without solid nutrition and a hardcore training regimen you will go nowhere. With our without drugs.

Hope this helps. Good luck.

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/diet-forum/153271-free-diet-advice-3j.html

 

[Cobra Strike]

And just so you know...I may come across as a dick but I would never steer someone in the wrong direction....Good luck bro

 

[madmikecordes]

OMG bro...you are a little guy! Not trying to be a dick but you got no leg to stand on when it comes to judging a "times served" member of this site. I may not have been on the site for long but I can promise you that just because I only have 200 some posts doesnt mean I dont know shit. Im like a god of knowlege compared to your dumbass. Get off the fucking gear because your body isnt ready for it. The cycle your choosing is completely fukd. You dont even know the proper dosages. I dont even want to go off about your post cycle therapy (pct) plan. If you dont post cycle therapy (pct) then you dont do gear (unless your on trt)..plain and simple. Its pointless. Your diet is also complete shit. It looks like you based it off wives tails you hear in the gym. You need to go to the diet and training forum and get some help. You dont belong on the anabolic forum. Not trying to be a dick but it seems like thats what you need!

listen sweetheart lets get a few things clear firstly i have put an honest pic of myself up how do iknow that is you? for all i know you could be some fat dude with his dick in his hand!
secondly if you want a playground row fuck off to facebook your kind is welcomed with open arms there.
thirdly you wonder why i'm apprehensive about doing test have a little read through your posts i'm worried i'll turn into a rambling ego freak like you.
please just fuck right off i have come here for advice and i have been nothing but honest but in your "i'm the daddy" world i deserve to be humiliated for this. as i said i was 119ilbs when i started what the fuck do you i should look like?

 

[madmikecordes]

ok, that at least gives us a start.

now, even though you are a short guy, i still think you should be able to get to 185-190 naturally. but since you've already fucked with the endocrine system enough, i would only suggest a test only cycle at this point. WIth an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on hand to control any estrogen issues and a solid post cycle therapy (pct). You said they are scarce where you live. Well, if you can't get post cycle therapy (pct) drugs, you shouldn't be doing juice. Sorry, but without proper recovery methods, you will be worse off than before.

now, barring you can get post cycle therapy (pct) stuff, and you decide to do Test only, first thing we need to do is get your shitty diet straightened out. get over to the diet forum and check out the thread below. 3J will setup you up with agreat plan once you give him all your info.

Without solid nutrition and a hardcore training regimen you will go nowhere. With our without drugs.

Hope this helps. Good luck.

steroidology.com/forum/diet-forum/153271-free-diet-advice-3j.html

cheers dude!

 

[Cobra Strike]

listen sweetheart lets get a few things clear firstly i have put an honest pic of myself up how do iknow that is you? for all i know you could be some fat dude with his dick in his hand!
secondly if you want a playground row fuck off to facebook your kind is welcomed with open arms there.
thirdly you wonder why i'm apprehensive about doing test have a little read through your posts i'm worried i'll turn into a rambling ego freak like you.
please just fuck right off i have come here for advice and i have been nothing but honest but in your "i'm the daddy" world i deserve to be humiliated for this. as i said i was 119ilbs when i started what the fuck do you i should look like?

HAHAHAHAHA oh my bro. You cant even handle yourself off cycle. Stay away from gear serioulsy. You have know idea what your are doing. Im talking not even a clue. Im just keeping it real with you and not giving you any bullshit advice or blowing smoke up that tight little ass of yours.

First of all I dont give a shit if you dont believe that avatar is me and I dont have to be a fat fuck to have my dick in my hand...its always in my hand.

Second I wouldnt know shit about face book being that Im to old to give a fuck what everyone thinks or chats about.

Third this is a great place for advice but a bad place for stupidity. If your a dumbass your gonna find out real quick. Its tough love and people with hard heads like yours are the ones who get it. If I tell you something that you dont like to hear then you can go cry to your pussy friends about it....dont bitch and moan on this site bro.

Now after that is all said....why are you still in the anabolic forum posting shit? You got your advice....diet and training and you got it from rj as well. So get to work cause you got tons to do....Good luck and no hard feelings

 

[madmikecordes]

HAHAHAHAHA oh my bro. You cant even handle yourself off cycle. Stay away from gear serioulsy. You have know idea what your are doing. Im talking not even a clue. Im just keeping it real with you and not giving you any bullshit advice or blowing smoke up that tight little ass of yours.

First of all I dont give a shit if you dont believe that avatar is me and I dont have to be a fat fuck to have my dick in my hand...its always in my hand.

Second I wouldnt know shit about face book being that Im to old to give a fuck what everyone thinks or chats about.

Third this is a great place for advice but a bad place for stupidity. If your a dumbass your gonna find out real quick. Its tough love and people with hard heads like yours are the ones who get it. If I tell you something that you dont like to hear then you can go cry to your pussy friends about it....dont bitch and moan on this site bro.

Now after that is all said....why are you still in the anabolic forum posting shit? You got your advice....diet and training and you got it from rj as well. So get to work cause you got tons to do....Good luck and no hard feelings

sometimes you just have to stoop to others level i apoligies advance but not to you.

so here it is lame as it is YOUR MUM!!!!

 

[pickle bunny]

Jesus Kid,
If I was you I might just start with a straight fuckin cycle of Ritlin.

YOU need to read for two weeks then adjust fire.

 

[Cobra Strike]

sometimes you just have to stoop to others level i apoligies advance but not to you.

so here it is lame as it is YOUR MUM!!!!

Good luck living on dumbass drive. I tried to help you but your to fuckin stupid to listen. You have yet to say one intelligent word on this thread. Id have to say that if any other person that has a clue about aas read this that they would definitely agree with my advice so if you dont want to hear it then keep your asshole shut

CHEERS