Hoping to get some help with guaging my estrogen

[privet1978]

Hi Guys, before I get a bunch of responses telling me to get bloodwork, let me tell you why I cant.
I'm running tren and apparently labcorp tests mistake tren for e2, i also live in one of those states where my lab options are limited to labcorp. I had a test last monday which came back at 175pg/ml, so i upped my ai (even though i felt fine) and the next day I felt my estro crashed, I felt horrible, achy, unmotivated, weak. Took 3 days off from my ai and felt better. I also tried checking the blood pressure route, but tren also raises your blood pressure, so I'm screwed there as well.

My stats and cycle:

35yr 5"10 205lbs 15%bf (possibly less) started the cycle 185lbs 12-13%bf

Week 1-8 test e 500 week, adex 0.5ed (switched to aromasin week7)

Week 8-16 test e 250 week, mast e 250 week, hcg 500iu week, quad tren (base/ace/enth/hex) 25mg each, total of 100mg ed= 700mg week,
aromasin at 6.25 ed, nolva wist 2 weeks and now switched to raloxefine 60mg day(have some lumps), caber .25 eod total of 0.85w week.

Week 16-18 same as 8-16 minus the tren.

Week 21-24 pct

I'm currently in week 12, some symptoms I'm experiencing are:

*intermittently low libido, hard to reach orgasm during sex, loss of wood during sex
*a little bit of a lower abdomen bloat (possibly fat I gained, idk)
*no night time or morning wood
*frequent night time urinating (i take my ai before bed)
*very achy, occasionally painful knees
*achy wrists and elbows, clicking in wrists
*muscle cramping (the ones worked out that day) gone the next day
*tired all day, fine at the gym
*good pump at the gym (leg pumps are painful on knees)
*fullness feeling in my pecs and one of the pecs is a little sore couple of inches above the nipple.
*nips are not sensitive (maybe very slightly if anything) nor do they itch or hurt (I'm assuming the ralox/nolva is helping with that), but my lumps go from hard and sticking out to very soft randomly throughout the day.
*and of course ACNE mainly on my back lots of it!


Any input of your past experiences would be appreciated.

Thanks

 

[Mprtz]

Not an expert on tren, but never heard of the E2/tren/labcorp thing. Would this be true of both the sensitive and regular assay? Those use different methods and get sent to entirely different labs on opposite ends of the country if I remember correctly.

 

[privet1978]

i don't know, the only one available to me is the 7-42 range

https://directlabs.com/access/Home/tabid/10599/TABID/10312/language/en-US/Default.aspx

 

[smittiot]

Curious what others say. Seem to have symptoms of both low and high E2...
Why did you switch from Adex?

 

[privet1978]

I seem to react weird to dex or maybe to ai's in general, my joints dried out quick and It gave me anxiety and trouble sleeping..this why i added mast, hoping it would block some of the estrogen so i would not have to take a large dose of an ai. I sleep like a baby on tren though, go figure..lol

 

[halfwit]

I've gotten blood tests NUMEROUS times through Labcorp both on and off trenbolone. Whomever told you that they mistake E2 for tren is smoking crack. Get the panel man; nobody can tell you where you're at for sure as the symptoms of both high and low estradiol are almost identical. I know that's not what you wanted to hear, but it's the honest truth.

My .02c

 

[privet1978]

I did a week ago, it came back at 175pg/ml on 7-42 scale.. can it be that high on only 250mg of test? plus taking an ai?

 

[Kazmir]

Why are you running gear, aromasin(yuk), ralox, caber all at the same time. Sounds like elevated E2 with elevated progesterone yet you are also showing signs of low E2. Taking ralox for lumps but continuing to run everything the same is moot pointful.. You need to address the underlying issue.. I would save the ralox till after the cycle and run 10mg Nolva at the moment till the end to stop it from progressing. Then run a proper gyno reversal protocol with the ralox

Personally I would drop the tren wait 2.5 weeks and have bloods ran to check E2, progesterone, prolactin, fsh, lh, etc a full panel .

 

[halfwit]

I did a week ago, it came back at 175pg/ml on 7-42 scale.. can it be that high on only 250mg of test? plus taking an ai?

Considering you're vastly underdosing your aromasin, yes it is completely realistic. I avoid aromasin as it costs a TON to use it properly - which is often up to 50mg ED for a higher dose of test. I wouldn't start any lower than 12.5mg ED, even at your dose of testosterone. FYI: Masteron will not do anything for your E2 values either - just keep them from binding to the androgen receptors; increasing your free testosterone and slightly lowering your SHBG.

 

[Kazmir]

I did a week ago, it came back at 175pg/ml on 7-42 scale.. can it be that high on only 250mg of test? plus taking an ai?

Your AI is crap if your that high. Aromasin - the underdosed AI, should have stuck with Adex in my opinion as it aromasin needs high dsages to work properly Did you have test levels checked, the tren or mast could be cut with test making your E2 levels higher than it should be among other things.

 

[privet1978]

Considering you're vastly underdosing your aromasin, yes it is completely realistic. I avoid aromasin as it costs a TON to use it properly - which is often up to 50mg ED for a higher dose of test. I wouldn't start any lower than 12.5mg ED, even at your dose of testosterone. FYI: Masteron will not do anything for your E2 values either - just keep them from binding to the androgen receptors; increasing your free testosterone and slightly lowering your SHBG.

ok, so if i switched back to dex, what dose would you recommend i start at?

 

[privet1978]

Your AI is crap if your that high. Aromasin - the underdosed AI, should have stuck with Adex in my opinion as it aromasin needs high dsages to work properly Did you have test levels checked, the tren or mast could be cut with test making your E2 levels higher than it should be among other things.

no, i did not,to get the full panel in my state is very expensive, just the e2 test is $100, i was going to do the full panel at the end of my cycle. I know it's had ro beleive, but i trust my source.
any suggestion on the dex dose?

 

[halfwit]

ok, so if i switched back to dex, what dose would you recommend i start at?

.5mg EOD for a week, then drop down to .25mg EOD and see how you feel. After three weeks, you could order a new blood test to confirm, but you should be able to visibly see a difference and feel better.

Edit: Privatemdlabs.com is a far superior (and cheaper) way to get bloods done by the way. It's around 50 bucks to get a full panel run, which includes E2.

 

[privet1978]

.5mg EOD for a week, then drop down to .25mg EOD and see how you feel. After three weeks, you could order a new blood test to confirm, but you should be able to visibly see a difference and feel better.

Edit: Privatemdlabs.com is a far superior (and cheaper) way to get bloods done by the way. It's around 50 bucks to get a full panel run, which includes E2.

thanks, i will try that.. i can't use privatemdlabs, i'm in one of those states that cant' use them...