How does milligram/milliliter work???? highly confused

[0nyx120]

After researching today and coming across molecular weights of certain esters and base of compounds to fully understand how much of the pure substance I am receiving through each milligram, I couldnt help but realize most 10ml vials have a mg/ml. This however played with my head.

For example, Testosterone Enanthate. The test base (with no ester) moleculer weight is about 288.429. The enanthate ester weighs 130.1864. 250milligrams of this stuff would be that of only 170mg of pure free testosterone while the other is the ester attached. Now lets say you have a UGL vial of Testosterone Enanthate that says 350mg/ml. What does that mean exactly? That for each cubic centimeter theres only 350milligrams of Testosterone Enanthate?

So for every 1,000mg I'd only be receiving just 350mg of Test Enth, hence the fact I'd only be injecting myself with 238mg of PURE free testosterone while the other 112mg is the enanthate ester?

What Im asking is if I wanted to inject 700mg of just Test E a week (forget about the ester molecular weight), instead of drawing out the compound at the 350mg mark on my syringe, would I have to pull it farther back to the 1milliliter mark since its 350mg/ml?

I highly apologize if this is an idiotic question and/or if this question is a bit confusing. I just went from wanting to know the exact amount of free compound Id be receiving, to becoming confused about the dose on vials.

 

[Megatron28]

Forget about the weight of the ester and molecular weights. Keep it simple.

Let's do an analogy. Two capsules of the same size can have different amounts of Tylenol in them. One capsule has 250mg of the drug and the other has 500mg. Hopefully it makes sense to you that capsules of the same size can have different quantities of the drug in them.

Now, instead of a capsule, substitute volume. One ml of oil can contain different amounts of testosterone. Some are at a higher concentration than others. Many are dosed at 250mg per ml. Some are dosed higher and lower.

Let's do another analogy. Let's say you are making Frozen Apple Juice. You defrost it and put it in the pitcher and mix in water. If you mix in three cans of water it has a stronger concentration than if you were to mix in nine cans of water. Just like apple juice, how much oil you use to dissolve the test in determines the concentration.

 

[STAUNCHED427]

When people say they are doing, for example, 500mg of Test Enanthate per week, what they mean is they are doing 500mg of Test Enanthate per week... Yes it only equates to something like 420mg of actual Testosterone, but we don't consider the ester weight. So if you wanted to do a cycle of 500mg Test per week and you have Test Enanthate that is dosed at "250mg/ml", you would simply shoot 2ml in that week (typically you split it too twice a week, so 1ml 2x per week) giving you 500mg of Test per week.

Technically the short esters such as propionate/acetate do yield more free hormone compared to long esters like enanthate/decanoate, but it isn't something you really take into account as the difference is next to negligible. So 500mg of Test Prop compared to 500mg of Test Enanthate, yes Test Prop will have slightly more free hormone over the same amount of Test Enanthate. I can't tell you the exact amount of how much more free hormone it is, because like I said it is next to negligible to the point where it is the last thing on my mind lol.

Hope that explains it well for you.

 

[Enthusiast]

When people say they are doing, for example, 500mg of Test Enanthate per week, what they mean is they are doing 500mg of Test Enanthate per week... Yes it only equates to something like 420mg of actual Testosterone, but we don't consider the ester weight. So if you wanted to do a cycle of 500mg Test per week and you have Test Enanthate that is dosed at "250mg/ml", you would simply shoot 2ml in that week (typically you split it too twice a week, so 1ml 2x per week) giving you 500mg of Test per week.

Technically the short esters such as propionate/acetate do yield more free hormone compared to long esters like enanthate/decanoate, but it isn't something you really take into account as the difference is next to negligible. So 500mg of Test Prop compared to 500mg of Test Enanthate, yes Test Prop will have slightly more free hormone over the same amount of Test Enanthate. I can't tell you the exact amount of how much more free hormone it is, because like I said it is next to negligible to the point where it is the last thing on my mind lol.

Hope that explains it well for you.

Great explanation, easy to understand with the analogies for the newbies.

 

[halfwit]

Great explanations here. Just wanted to add that if you're looking for "pure" test, you'll need to look for TNE (test-no-ester) which is in an oil carrier, or suspension - which is in a water carrier.

They both have a half-life of around 4 hours, so it's not very practical to make them the base of a cycle, but many use them as a pre-workout addition to an existing cycle.

They, just like higher concentration estered gear do have a bite to them though.

 

[STAUNCHED427]

Yep, AAS in pure form have short half-lives hence why AAS have esters attached to them and why orals have to be taken ED if not upto 3x daily to achieve stable blood levels. Orals can not be esterfied because where the ester is usually attached at the 17 position there is a methyl group allowing the hormone to be resistant to degradation by the liver.

I sort of have a rough but potentially wrong idea that you are worried you won't get the most out of your cycle using long esters because "there is less free hormone" when it is in all honesty something that is negligible... Don't feel obliged to have to run Test Prop over Enanthate simply because you get more free hormone out of it when it isn't all that much at all, that would be quite unnecessary, there are other benefits to running short esters over long but it has nothing to do with free hormone yield. IN most cases you will probably pay more running short esters over long as due to long esters being more fat soluble you can have higher concentrations of it in the oil (more fat soluble ester= what we would call longer ester), which is why the longer esters are usually double the concentration of the short ester counterparts. (100mg Test Prop over 200mg Test Enanthate for example).

 

[0nyx120]

Appreciate the feedback brothas. Definitely helped me out a lot.

 

[Repo]

Great examples and to OP - yeah just keep it simple buddy and you'll do fine.

On a side note - most orals (oral anabolic steroids) should be taken on an empty stomach as
food can decrease its bioavailability.

You should still get great results if taken with food - you'll just maximize their effect without food.

 

[tbonexl]

I've never seen milligrams on a syringe before...