How many of you guys are going bald due to AAS?

[Roush]

. It just feels like a sweat sponge to me, which kind of grosses me out a lil.

I thought you were into sponges halfwit,, at least judging by your avatar

 

[halfwit]

I thought you were into sponges halfwit,, at least judging by your avatar

Only the ones in Bikini Bottom.

 

[Black Beard]

ZYZZ had family heart problems and would spend 3 hours in a sauna at a time. That kid was probably going to die young based on his stupidity. I doubt AAS had anything to do with finishing him off, and if it did it was a minimal effect.

High doses of AAS will cause myocardial hypertrophy. It most likely played a pretty big part in his death. I'm not one to demonize AAS and i believe they are pretty harmless if not healthy when used correctly, but blasting trenbolone and other shit year round, doing coke, "congenital heart defect" which sounds like a cover up for his drug use = Dead.






Heart cells have receptors that literally cause growth in the presence of androgens. The stronger the androgen, the more potent this effect is. Low dosages of testosterone aren't too bad, but trenbolone abuse is dangerous. This kid was taking clen/t3 as well, more things that will cause heart problems. I doubt he even had a congenital heart defect. He probably would have died sooner if he did.

 

[tury694]

High doses of AAS will cause myocardial hypertrophy. It most likely played a pretty big part in his death. I'm not one to demonize AAS and i believe they are pretty harmless if not healthy when used correctly, but blasting trenbolone and other shit year round, doing coke, "congenital heart defect" which sounds like a cover up for his drug use = Dead.






Heart cells have receptors that literally cause growth in the presence of androgens. The stronger the androgen, the more potent this effect is. Low dosages of testosterone aren't too bad, but trenbolone abuse is dangerous. This kid was taking clen/t3 as well, more things that will cause heart problems. I doubt he even had a congenital heart defect. He probably would have died sooner if he did.

Trust me if he did not have the heart defects the media would have jumped all over the story to demonize steroids. The media loves to do this. All athletes, whether natural or not have an enlarged heart, and this is thought to be benign. High amounts of cardio make your heart big. The whole ZYZZ thing is just like the Ollie Coonie story. 21 year old uses steroids and has 3 strokes and 2 heart attacks before finally dying. One of the basketball players at my high school dropped dead during a practice and he had an undiagnosed heart defect. These things are so common, and if you look into it most cities have a few track runners, basketball players, soccer players, etc drop dead from heart defects. AAS could have sped up the process, but these heart problems kill young people who push their bodies too hard. I know people who cycle tren for 5 months at a time and use cocaine while on these kinds of cycles and they are fine. These are younger guys too, I believe 27.

I know opinions on this are going to vary but saying that AAS is the main culprit is crazy. Even the abuse of drugs like tren is not enough to kill an otherwise healthy person. In my opinion they can speed up the death of a person who has an underlying condition.

 

[Black Beard]

Trust me if he did not have the heart defects the media would have jumped all over the story to demonize steroids. The media loves to do this. All athletes, whether natural or not have an enlarged heart, and this is thought to be benign. High amounts of cardio make your heart big. The whole ZYZZ thing is just like the Ollie Coonie story. 21 year old uses steroids and has 3 strokes and 2 heart attacks before finally dying. One of the basketball players at my high school dropped dead during a practice and he had an undiagnosed heart defect. These things are so common, and if you look into it most cities have a few track runners, basketball players, soccer players, etc drop dead from heart defects. AAS could have sped up the process, but these heart problems kill young people who push their bodies too hard. I know people who cycle tren for 5 months at a time and use cocaine while on these kinds of cycles and they are fine. These are younger guys too, I believe 27.

I know opinions on this are going to vary but saying that AAS is the main culprit is crazy. Even the abuse of drugs like tren is not enough to kill an otherwise healthy person. In my opinion they can speed up the death of a person who has an underlying condition.

Maybe, maybe not. You have a valid point.

 

[tury694]

Maybe, maybe not. You have a valid point.

You make good points, and technically it will kill you if you have a health problem to begin with. ZYZZ might be alive if he never used AAS or did any of the other dumb shit he did.

 

[OnlyTheGreat]

This fucker was blasting test and tren at 18! Hope young guys don't read any of this fuckery and think it is smart. No way he recovers his natty test levels after tren for so long. The only people who should run at 20 years old are people dead set on becoming pros without any care for consequences, and even then many pros have started mid 20's. Everyone thinks that because Arnold started as a teen they can too, but you guys are not Arnold.

Arnold also had a quadruple bypass. That's probably the only problem you hear about. you don't hear about him being on trt or what state his liver/kidneys are in. Kids hear about him starting dbol at 15, then they think they can do it too because they don't know about the side effects Arnold suffered/is suffering.

 

[OnlyTheGreat]

ZYZZ had family heart problems and would spend 3 hours in a sauna at a time. That kid was probably going to die young based on his stupidity. I doubt AAS had anything to do with finishing him off, and if it did it was a minimal effect.

He also did no cardio apart from taking MDMA and dancing at festivals with his shirt off.

 

[tury694]

Arnold also had a quadruple bypass. That's probably the only problem you hear about. you don't hear about him being on trt or what state his liver/kidneys are in. Kids hear about him starting dbol at 15, then they think they can do it too because they don't know about the side effects Arnold suffered/is suffering.

My grandfather had triple bypass and uses a peacemaker. No AAS abuse ever. Arnold was old and had a heart problem. He was always heavy, and that can lead to problems for the heart on its own. Most of the pros live to be old men. Ferigno, Draper, Olivia, Columbo, Arnold, Reg Park, Zane, etc.

 

[49ER]

Zyzz as well as all other famous bodybuilders/athletes/wrestlers died because of there narcotic habits your not gonna die from injectable steroids everyone says there toxic because that's what they heard or read I talk from personal experience and many blood tests. If something is toxic it should be toxic to everyone if I drink a bottle of Tylenol I should get sick or die just like anyone else right? I'm not a special exeption to the rules. I know this is gonna piss alot of people off but be nice lol

 

[Roush]

Zyzz as well as all other famous bodybuilders/athletes/wrestlers died because of there narcotic habits your not gonna die from injectable steroids everyone says there toxic because that's what they heard or read I talk from personal experience and many blood tests. If something is toxic it should be toxic to everyone if I drink a bottle of Tylenol I should get sick or die just like anyone else right? I'm not a special exeption to the rules. I know this is gonna piss alot of people off but be nice lol

^^ true

Lyle Alzedo was genetically pre disposed to brain cancer-- he blamed it on AAS as did the media. If AAS caused brain cancer and was toxic then everyone who does AAS would get brain cancer.

 

[tury694]

^^ true

Lyle Alzedo was genetically pre disposed to brain cancer-- he blamed it on AAS as did the media. If AAS caused brain cancer and was toxic then everyone who does AAS would get brain cancer.

That story was one of the biggest lies ever spread by the sport's media. What a fucking joke. I feel for the guy, and glioblastoma is probably the worst cancer one can have, but blaming it on AAS is absurd. The fact is that radiation is what causes gliomas. There is no other known cause at this time. The genetic link is kind of weak in this kind of cancer. The rates have started to increase alarmingly in the past 25 years and people are beginning to think that mobile phones are to blame. As far as bioethics go, blaming cell phones would be wrong, but it makes much more sense than blaming AAS. Yet another example of why people think steroids are more dangerous or just as dangerous as cocaine, heroin, and tobacco, and we have the media to thank for this.