HPA axis restart for women

[ariellah]

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[Mrs P]

Welcome !

What cycle did you run and for how long ?

 

[ariellah]

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[drewbolic]

Welcome your at the right place,there are some great woman on this board that can help you with there experience.
You did the right move in share with the board and Im sure ology can get you some answers.
MissMuscle and BlondieBombshell should pop in here soon and give some of there thoughts.

 

[Mrs P]

I think you shoudl re-consider going to a doctor, (Endocrinologist) just to rule out any other disorder.It's hard when you don't have insurance, but your health comes first.

You're stating you know your HPA is damaged, but you have not seen a doctor, so you really don't know for sure.

your estrogen levels are probably out of wack since you stopped Deca, and is giving you those sides, Nolva/Clomid 20 mg is suggested as a post cycle therapy to help you stabilize your levels again. Sides are minimal.


Hope you feel better soon !

 

[ariellah]

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[Detour5]

I'm new here and this is my first ever post
but I think even if you don't like what a dr recommends you can still get tested to know where you are, then get the relevant herbs for your case. Guess work is as dangerous as doing steroids without the knowledge! From all my Reading up a first cycle choice would've been best as anavar, maybe even Winstrol (winny) at a real low dose. But anavar in most cases has less sides. I could be wrong but nolvadex wouldn't help you but rather surpress your estrogen levels further which is what you don't want right? I've never done any roids but have been researching for such a long time, this place is amazing for info! I urge you to see a dr though. Get money to do it if that's an issue. Your health is important and if you know what exactly is wrong then you can fix it.

Good luck.

Well I'm not going to a doctor cause I have no insurance and no money for a doctor or tests. Anyway, I'm a believer in traditional medicine, just wondered if Western meds can be helpful too... It was a mistake to try the roid, as I had great results without them, with herbs alone, it's a lesson for me... I don't have any threatening symptoms, just obviously damaged HPA leading to moodiness and low energy/fatigue.

Yeah, not only estrogen, LH and FSH and prolactin levels probably went to hell.. I guess I'll research buying Clomid or Nolva now, I assume 20mg per day, thanks for advice.


I also don't believe in doctors/hormonal tests too much cause I used to have crazy hormonal dysfunction when I was younger, for which they tried to teat me with some poisonous med that made me really sick, but after quitting it and changing my lifestyle to healthy one, mainly changing my food, helped better than any meds and fixed things... and knowing how easily docs prescribe meds, like contraceptives that can be harmful, etc I'm careful. I'm gonna read up on Nolva/Clomid side effects and warnings cause I think at least one of them was cancerogenic in mice. I probbly should force myself to mild exercise through fatique/apathy, cause exercise alone stimulates HPA pretty well... As to how I know that HPA is damaged--I was getting all these symptoms by the end of each deca injection period (starting after 3rd injection) when hormone levels drop--if HPA was more or less untouched I wouldn't experience this when injection wears off, I'd just be "back to normal" sort of, but clearly my own hormones went to hell and I was living off deca. Another reason why I don't need tests is cause I'm very sensitive to even a slight change in hormone levels--test will probably show "within low end of normal range" levels--and since my old levels weren't measured won't detect abnormality--while my body is reacting to lowered levels badly.

 

[drewbolic]

I'm new here and this is my first ever post
but I think even if you don't like what a dr recommends you can still get tested to know where you are, then get the relevant herbs for your case. Guess work is as dangerous as doing steroids without the knowledge! From all my Reading up a first cycle choice would've been best as anavar, maybe even Winstrol (winny) at a real low dose. But anavar in most cases has less sides. I could be wrong but nolvadex wouldn't help you but rather surpress your estrogen levels further which is what you don't want right? I've never done any roids but have been researching for such a long time, this place is amazing for info! I urge you to see a dr though. Get money to do it if that's an issue. Your health is important and if you know what exactly is wrong then you can fix it.

Good luck.

Hey Welcome Detour,Nice to have you here
And your right with the serms she has been off for awhile so I dont know how much it would help,although NOLVADEX dosnt inhibit or reduce estrogen it works by blocking estrogen to the breast tissue.
But I agree she should see medical help because it sounds to me a chemical imbalance psychological issues

 

[ariellah]

Hey Welcome Detour,Nice to have you here
And your right with the serms she has been off for awhile so I dont know how much it would help,although NOLVADEX dosnt inhibit or reduce estrogen it works by blocking estrogen to the breast tissue.
But I agree she should see medical help because it sounds to me a chemical imbalance psychological issues

Psychological issues?
You should seek help for yours, I mean a male on roids: if you didn't have them you wouldn't try to prove yourself by shooting them up.

I told already I'm not going to see a doctor and if you don't have anything valuable to contribute then don't. go check your shrunken testicles instead.

Okay?
You obviously know nothing about this issue. You're a male, right? So why are you commenting on women's health issues? I came here to seek advice from females who have experience with HPA restart, someone who've done all kinds of roid cycles before. I'm gonna say this: Go dig in your mama's undies instead of trying to read on issues which males don't need to bother with.

@Detour5--thanks. Nolva is known to increase LH and FSH production, so this is basically HPA restart, estrogen blocker is not the only function of these drugs, apparently, that's why some bodybuilders use them for HPA restart. The issue is Nolva and similar drugs had shown some cancerogenic/mutagenic activity. HPA will fully restart itself, it just can take up to a year to self-repair. With drugs, it's faster I guess. So, there's a trade-off with risks of Nolva/Tami, etc.

 

[drewbolic]

Psychological issues?
You should seek help for yours, male down roids, if you didn't have them you wouldn't try to prove yourself by shooting them.
I told you I"m not going to see a doctor and if you don't have anything valuable to contribute then don't Go check your shrunken testicles.

Okay?
You obviously know nothing about this issue. You're a male, right? So why are you lurking on women's board?

And you just proved my point.
I did not mean to offend you and you come back with this.
It was your words that gave me this conclusion.I really hope you get the help you need.

 

[ariellah]

Leave me alone, i'm tired to be harassed by misogynist males. Go boss around your dumb girlfriend. Nobody is taking orders from you here, loser with issues. Only a perv would lurk here on these questions. Get a life or porn magazine.

I don't need to do jackshit, go see a doc may be he'll fix your problems and you'll build muscle without test you're shooting and start making your own for once.

 

[Mrs P]

Leave me alone, i'm tired to be harassed by misogynist males. Go boss around your dumb girlfriend. Nobody is taking orders from you here, loser with issues. Only a perv would lurk here on these questions. Get a life or porn magazine.

Ariellah,

I understand your frustation, you must feel at your wits end.. but remember you posted you needed help & everyone is free to read your thread & respond to it.

I am a women like you, and I can understand there are some issues you might feel more comfortable getting feedback from women, but never the less Drew was just trying to help you, you should keep in mind all we are trying to do is just give you our insight & advise.

I suggest you take control of your emotions, please follow the rules, no bashing.

I hope you get the help you need !

 

[drewbolic]

Obviously there is some issue with the opposite sex.

And not that I have to explain my self but if you hit the new post button all the forums come up so im not lurking around or what ever you think im doing in twisted delusional thoughts.

I didnt order or even give advice besides seek professional help in this thread.So with that said I really hope somefixes you or you find a magical plant or flower that helps you.
Good luck.I really mean that