Hrt/Testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) newbies.... Please read

[CHIP WADOWSKI]

Hrt/trt newbies.... Please read

Making the choice to incorporate HRT/TRT as a way of life will be the greatest thing you ever do. However, it does not come without fear, uncertainty, and indecision. The personal attention to those emotions is the very thing that MAXIMUS Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) and CHIP WADOWSKI take great pride in specializing in. I remember the very first day that I adopted HRT/TRT as THE way of my life.... and my EXISTANCE. I remember that first injection. I remember standing in front of the mirror breaking out into cold sweats for the better part of 30 minutes before I took the best "PLUNGE" of my life. I speak from the heart and with conviction.

If you are coming to this site as a visitor..... WELCOME. If you have already begun a protocol with me or another outfit or doctor, CONGRATULATIONS!

There are a few "RULES OF THE GAME" that you need to know...

1.) WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS THE RIGHT THING FOR YOU!

2.) If any provider that you are dealing with is not structuring your protocol to include the use of HCG and an estrogen blocker, than you are NOT on HRT/TRT. YOU ARE ON STEROIDS.

3.) If a provider is setting your injection frequency ANY MORE than seven (7) days apart (and I recommend no more than five (5), than they do NOT posses the knowledge necessary to properly care for you, and you are in harms way.

4.) Do NOT lie to or deceive your spouse or partner regarding your choice to incorporate HRT/TRT into your lifestyle. It WILL cause problems, and in some cases DIVORCE. I promise you, this is SOUND ADVICE. Take it. I've seen this happen and on more than one occasion found myself in the middle of marital disputes, trying to help educate clients partners on the needs/benefits of HRT/TRT, in hopes of helping them rectify a situation that never should have come about in the first place.

5.) HRT/TRT is definitely an incredible "MAGAZINE" of live ammunition, BUT IT IS NOT A MAGIC BULLET. Without diet and exercise, you will STILL be disappointed. However, the balancing of your hormones WILL make you see and feel that your goals ARE within reach.

 

[CHIP WADOWSKI]

TRT/HRT Newbies... Please read

Making the choice to incorporate HRT/TRT as a way of life will be the greatest thing you ever do. However, it does not come without fear, uncertainty, and indecision. The personal attention to those emotions is the very thing that MAXIMUS Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) and CHIP WADOWSKI take great pride in specializing in. I remember the very first day that I adopted HRT/TRT as THE way of my life.... and my EXISTANCE. I remember that first injection. I remember standing in front of the mirror breaking out into cold sweats for the better part of 30 minutes before I took the best "PLUNGE" of my life. I speak from the heart and with conviction.

If you are coming to this site as a visitor..... WELCOME. If you have already begun a protocol with me or another outfit or doctor, CONGRATULATIONS!

There are a few "RULES OF THE GAME" that you need to know...

1.) WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS THE RIGHT THING FOR YOU!

2.) If any provider that you are dealing with is not structuring your protocol to include the use of HCG and an estrogen blocker, than you are NOT on HRT/TRT. YOU ARE ON STEROIDS.

3.) If a provider is setting your injection frequency ANY MORE than seven (7) days apart (and I recommend no more than five (5), than they do NOT posses the knowledge necessary to properly care for you, and you are in harms way.

4.) Do NOT lie to or deceive your spouse or partner regarding your choice to incorporate HRT/TRT into your lifestyle. It WILL cause problems, and in some cases DIVORCE. I promise you, this is SOUND ADVICE. Take it. I've seen this happen and on more than one occasion found myself in the middle of marital disputes, trying to help educate clients partners on the needs/benefits of HRT/TRT, in hopes of helping them rectify a situation that never should have come about in the first place.

5.) HRT/TRT is definitely an incredible "MAGAZINE" of live ammunition, BUT IT IS NOT A MAGIC BULLET. Without diet and exercise, you will STILL be disappointed. However, the balancing of your hormones WILL make you see and feel that your goals ARE within reach.

 

[riprockwell]

Good info Chip. I totally agree. I will tell you that 95% of the doctors will definitely break rule 2 and 3. I took the great leap and I am feeling better by the day thanks to Maximus. Regaining back my life every single day that goes by.

 

[jimmyo333]

Chip I need to know about HCG what is it and why should I be taking it . My orignal Test was around 270 Im 40 yrs old I am curently shootng 100 mg twice a week and my last blood work was 905 . I am also taking anastrozole 1mg twice a week my estoridiol was 95 it went to 34 is that good, my cholesterol was always high and could never get control even on statin im not on any meds for it and they went from 325 to 270 in 1 month so thats a bonus for me .I feel much better on the anastrzole more level headed no hot flashes and seeping better .I cant find any good info on the HCG and want t take what ever protocal works best with TRT. Its been amost 4 months and I lok and feel like a new me . just think I have to iro out a few things to get it al in line .I am also taking 50mg of dhea every day

Last Blood Panel as 10/15/10

Test is 905
dhea 312
testosterone free 233
testosterone percentage free 2.6
estradiol 34

Thanks have found this site to be very helpful

 

[mlc31]

Chip I need to know about HCG what is it and why should I be taking it . My orignal Test was around 270 Im 40 yrs old I am curently shootng 100 mg twice a week and my last blood work was 905 . I am also taking anastrozole 1mg twice a week my estoridiol was 95 it went to 34 is that good, my cholesterol was always high and could never get control even on statin im not on any meds for it and they went from 325 to 270 in 1 month so thats a bonus for me .I feel much better on the anastrzole more level headed no hot flashes and seeping better .I cant find any good info on the HCG and want t take what ever protocal works best with TRT. Its been amost 4 months and I lok and feel like a new me . just think I have to iro out a few things to get it al in line .I am also taking 50mg of dhea every day

Last Blood Panel as 10/15/10

Test is 905
dhea 312
testosterone free 233
testosterone percentage free 2.6
estradiol 34

Thanks have found this site to be very helpful

There is an absolute ton of information on this site in regards to Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG). Just try a search and you can spend the afternoon getting all the information you will need. Good luck.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Chip I need to know about HCG what is it and why should I be taking it . My orignal Test was around 270 Im 40 yrs old I am curently shootng 100 mg twice a week and my last blood work was 905 . I am also taking anastrozole 1mg twice a week my estoridiol was 95 it went to 34 is that good, my cholesterol was always high and could never get control even on statin im not on any meds for it and they went from 325 to 270 in 1 month so thats a bonus for me .I feel much better on the anastrzole more level headed no hot flashes and seeping better .I cant find any good info on the HCG and want t take what ever protocal works best with TRT. Its been amost 4 months and I lok and feel like a new me . just think I have to iro out a few things to get it al in line .I am also taking 50mg of dhea every day

Last Blood Panel as 10/15/10

Test is 905
dhea 312
testosterone free 233
testosterone percentage free 2.6
estradiol 34

Thanks have found this site to be very helpful

Jimmy E2 @ 34 isnt bad but it would be much better at 28.

When was your blood test taken in relation to your last T injection?

2mg a week of Adex is alot. You need to figure out how to get that down and still keep your estro in range.

I think you are taking too much test. you should try 150mg a week instead of 200.

with that being said tell me when your bloods were taken in relation to last t inject and i can help you more.

 

[CHIP WADOWSKI]

Hey Jimmy,
Easiest way to get a direct response from me is to drop mean an email. Some days I'm able to devote a good amount of time to the forum, others I'm buried. People may have differing views and I'm not sparking debate, because there is no place for one in your situation. 200 mg of test, split the way you do is absolutely fine. ZERO reason to go lower. 2mg of Aromatase inhibitor (AI) is NOT too much, if it is giving you the desired effect, based on YOUR body. Estrogen at 34 is fine. In relation to your total test, you might feel better in the mid-high twenties. You need HCG in order your testes to continue to produce natural and not be "shut down" from the negative feedback of your body receiving testosterone from an outside source. To keep it simple, when you administer exogenous test, your brain sends a singal to the testes saying, "hey guys, it's ok to stop producing testosterone, we are getting it from an outside source". If this comtinues to happen, the testes will shrink, due to a lack of activity. If you at least administer a small maintenance dose of 250iu every 4th day, it will be enough to keep the "boys" from going on a retreat. I hope this helps.

 

[jimmyo333]

my bloods were taken 3 day after last shot.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

my bloods were taken 3 day after last shot.

Im not here to start a debate either but I have to hold my position here. People think 200mg of testosterone will keep their levels within physiological range and it will not, IT WILL be above physiological range the majority of the time. Now if people want to wait til there is a problem with their bloodwork that is fine.

200mg is the very upper end for testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) and should only be used IMO to jumpstart someone. If guys think they are going to be able to get away with those doses forever i have to disagree.

Here is the thing, all these studies that are coming out saying how great testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) is and how it can benefit men's health are based SOLEY on the fact that levels were kept in physiological range through peak and trough levels. Most of these men are taking 100mg a week, just look at the studies.

He is taking 2 shots of test per week @ 100mg each. that is roughly 3 days apart. that means 905 is his trough, and that he is prolly pinging 1400 or a lil more the day after his shot. he should be able to hit those numbers with alot lest test.

There is a reason he needs so much adex. 2mg a week is not alot? I know guys who take less than that on 500mg a week and keep E2 in range. So something is not adding up, the first thing that comes to mind is to check cortisol and thyroid, this could be the culprit. T3 and T4 are responsible for aromatase inhibition so i have a feeling this is causing issues. shooting that extra 50mg is not doing anything except going to waste, Aromatising into extra estrogen that he does not need and causing him to use more drugs than necessary, drugs that have more side effects than testosterone itself.

Adding HCG to the mix at this time will do nothing but increase aromatase activitiy wasting even more tesosterone.

Im willing to bet money that he can lower his test dose, feel just as good, keep levels within range and then add Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG). While simultaneously allowing him to use less adex and keep his E2 in the mid to upper 20's as long as thyroid and cortisol are in balance. Just sayin..................

out of curiosity what was your hemoglobin, hematocrit and HDL?

keeping test levels too high for too long of a period can and WILL eventually effect all these things.

 

[RJ]

I'm not getting into this debate as everyones different and I am no Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) expert. I only know what works for me.

I will say that Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), to me, is a great addition to any protocol that involves testosterone replacement therapy (its great for "cycles" as well but thats another discussion), if all levels are within ranges. Again, ranges are the same for everyone, but it takes different things for different people to get into those ranges.

I know for me my estro levels were around 22 with no Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on 100mg/w. I've recently added HCG at 300iu twice a week and we'll see what that does. But i know my body and know what more than that has done while i was on a gram of test a week. Not much. Again, everyone is different.

So again to the OP, the point could be debated all day. The best thing to do is find what is right for you. To do that you need a good Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) company. Maximus Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) is just that and they will find your sweet spot (and also put you on a good Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) protocol. lol) and you will be off to feeling better in no time. Call Chip and do this right.

Good luck.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

I agree with you RJ about everyone being different and you have to find whats right for you. Although there is obviously an issue here and all im saying is look for the root of the problem instead of covering up with 2mg a week of arimadex, there is no reason anybody should have to take that much unless something else is going on.

if estro gets out of control and that much is needed to get it in range thats fine, but running that much adex forever is sure to cause problems. I know you have had problems with adex and lipids in the past.

 

[RJ]

I agree with you RJ about everyone being different and you have to find whats right for you. Although there is obviously an issue here and all im saying is look for the root of the problem instead of covering up with 2mg a week of arimadex, there is no reason anybody should have to take that much unless something else is going on.

if estro gets out of control and that much is needed to get it in range thats fine, but running that much adex forever is sure to cause problems. I know you have had problems with adex and lipids in the past.

god damn right i did. that stuff don't like me. And i agree that that dose seems high.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Its not just lipids I would worry about either, its bone density too. Most guys that are hypo have low bone density. testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) should help this problem but taking that much adex would prolly counter the benefits of the increase in bone-density from TRT.

 

[RJ]

I think we can all agree its time to see a new doctor, someone who specializes in Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) and all its benefits.

 

[CHIP WADOWSKI]

It seems all this F***ING PARTICULAR forum has turned into is a RIDICULOUS stage for debate! Are you kidding me? People making general STATEMENTS that THIS is to much of ONE THING, or THAT is to much of ANOTHER thing. This individual isn't even a client of mine or obviously of DET-OAT/CENTURION, and neither of us truly know anything about the person looking for help OTHER than the FACT that he is on what most people would consider to be a basic "HRT/TRT" dose of testosterone and that his 2mg/wk of Aromatase inhibitor (AI) are obviously keeping his estrogen levels in a good spot! This means that it is a guaranteed FACT that he is running to much Aromatase inhibitor (AI). THIS IS EXACTLY WHY SOME CLIENTS HAVE SO MUCH MORE SUCCESS ON THEIR GIVEN PROTOCOLS THAN OTHERS. Clients SYMPTOMS must me treated! NOT A PIECE OF PAPER. AND THE EGO'S OF "COMPETING ENTITIES" who need to "ONE UP" the other guy. If people spent as much time just servicing clients, which there are not even enough hours in the day to do that most of the time, than maybe it would actually help us to be "PRODUCTIVE" against certain ASSHOLES that come into "OUR HOUSE" with AGENDA'S that do nothing but waste our time!

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Nobody is trying to 1up anyone...............its obvious form his protocol his "symptom" is excessive aromatization................on top of that adding HCG at this time will only excaberate that symptom. It is VERY common for men to take too much T while on therapy and let their estrogen get out of control...............covering it up with adex is like taking nyquil for for a cold that wont go away instead of getting antibiotics.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

I dont understand why people dont like debating/discussing therapies......................if we dont try to continuously improve then will will be stuck in the past.

Question Chip: Does my handle say det-oak/centurion or just det-oak? why do you feel the need to throw that out there all the time?

 

[CHIP WADOWSKI]

I dont understand why people dont like debating/discussing therapies......................if we dont try to continuously improve then will will be stuck in the past.

Question Chip: Does my handle say det-oak/centurion or just det-oak? why do you feel the need to throw that out there all the time?

Oak, honestly, professional-to-professional, I throw it out there for one reason, if you must ask....

Because when this forum took on two sponsors, MAXIMUS and CENTURION, it was your owner FLEVERGLADES and YHRASHIN, both of whom have since disappeared from existence, TILL TOMORROW I'M SURE, and have since assumed identity under different avatars, who found it necessary to attempt to establish their business by slandering me with vicious lies via private message to numerous members that were mutual acquaintances. Then, when your company was threatened, by the administration, of being banned for its filthy business practices, they decided to tuck their tails and make you the face of Centurion on Steroidology. And even as you were getting your tail end handed to you on a different site, by an agenda driven asshole, who has been banned from this site under various user names, it was still ME that gave you MY time on the phone and offered my help to you, a rookie in this game.

Then how ironic was it, that after your owner realized that he couldn't compete in this business, with me, BECAUSE HE THINKS IT IS NOTHING BUT A CHURN EM' AND BURN EM' SALES GAME, that he actually had the nerve to call me and basically BEG me to join my FORCE with his start up company. I obviously laughed.

And regardless of the fact that I have taken the high road AND even embraced you and offered you sound business advice, with ZERO alterior motives, you still find it necessary to surface every couple weeks or so and stir up controversy. No one questions that fact that you possess a wealth of knowledge. And given the right fit, you can be a really good HRT/TRT Consultant. But who exactly are you?? DET-OAK...? CENTURION HRT?? BOTH??? NEITHER???
CONSISTENCY BUILDS CREDIBILITY.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

does it matter? i dont appreciate you putting my busines in the street..............its none of yours or anyone else's business who's name i post on in other forums........you keep saying i had my ass handed to me but i dont see it that way.

You can call me a rookie if you want but i have more knowledge about testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) than many of the guys that have been in the business 10 years.

On top of that I dont give a shit who I work for I am a great consultant............who I work for has nothing to do with my ehtics or knowledge base.

You say i surfaced and out of no where and stir up shit.............well you sir are misinformed. Many guys on this forum know me well enough to know i dont talk out of my ass and EVERY SINGLE THING I SAY can be backed up with REAL MEDICAL EVIDENCE.

I did not post in this thread to stir up shit I just call like I see em................if you for some reason think for a second that anything I said in this thread is not true than please prove me wrong.

Everything I said in this thread is correct to a T.................as always.

I dont like how you feel the need to get all defensive when someone tries to offer sound advice..............and i dont like how you try to throw names around all the time..............there is a term for people that throw names all the time..............and its not a good one.

There is no reason for you to keep bringing up the same old beef you have with centurion.............I have proven myself time and time again that I do not play these childish games.

If you think for a second that running 2mg of adex a week is healthy.................then im awstruck. I know for a fact that is way too much and will eventually cause problems.

What about the advice I offered? You dont think his thyroid is contributing to his excessive aromatization? your telling me that this guy doesnt need to lower his dose? So you dont think that he is wasting testosterone by jamming 200mg a week in his body and using 2mg of adex to counter the effects? are you telling you dont think there is a fix to his problem besides just using more and more adex? are you telling me that you do not think giving this man Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) at this time, will speed up aromatization and cause him to use even more adex?

dont give me any of the "everyone is different crap" cause this is an EXTREME case here.

If you can answer no to all of the previous questions i presented then hell maybe I am here just to stir up shit.......................

Please, Please show me the expert advice you would provide to this man that would so contradict my "rookie" advice........................................................

all i did was offer this guy advice-then you showed up and starting slamming everything I said without one legimate reason except "treat the symptoms" I agree with this to a point, but if we use this thought process for everything we are going to be in a world of hurt............................

 

[RJ]

this is getting ridiculous guys. I don't care if you are competitors or not. This makes both companies look like shit.

Why does this have to be on the open forum? That's not professional at all. Not saying either one of you are right or wrong or whatever. But being able to agree to disagree is part of healthy debate.

The open forum is not the place for this talk IMO.