Hypogonadism Help problem with low hormones

George1989

George1989

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Like a lot of guys in the past i made some mistakes with the steroids (not a proper pct). For over a year i have low testosterone. i have a bad mood, no libido, redused strength. My last blood results are these:
testosterone 196ng/dl limits 262-1593, fsh 1,14 limits 1.00-12.00, lh 0,97 limits 2.00-12.00, PRL 10,20 limits 3,28-19,68 , testosterone 3,37 limits 2,60 - 12.0. Probably i have secondary hypogonadism. i have heard about a therapy for my problem that includes pregnyl, proviron and nolvadex. It goes like this :
1500x3 per week pregnyl, proviron 2 ed(for the first two weeks then i stop proviron), one nolvadex 20 before bed, for 5 weeks and one last week only with nolvadex. Can this cycle help me? i do not want to use steroids again. i want to keep natural.
 
You do have Secondary Hypogonadism. Have you seen a doctor yet? They could set you up on a Restart protocol to see if they can get your HPTA working again. And if that fails, you could go on doctor prescribed TRT.

I would not run that protocol you listed for a restart. It doesn't look right.
 
The vets here will steer you in the right direction.

First you have to see what's causing your low t. I was in tge same boat as you and was advised to exhaust all possibilities.

Have you had a sleep study for apnea?

Ever had testicle or brain trama?

Maybe a pituitary tumor?

Have to find out what type of hypogonadism you are like mega said.

Good luck
 
Thank you both very much for your reply. I went in two doctors the first said to me before one year that i dont have to do anything and probably everything will be better in time. One year pass away nothing is better. i went to a second doctor and he wanted to give me nebido testosterone and i said to him that i thought that nebido wouldnt help if i want to have kids someday. before one week i went to a third doctor and he told to go for a blood test and sperm count, tomorrow i am taking the sperm results and i will go with all the results to this doctor. I will update my thread tomorrow then with the therapy that my doctor will give me.
 
sleep study ? what do you mean exactly?
i never had testicle or brain trauma.
my problem started after i took steroids. i didnt made a good pct and also in the cycle i overdose with testosterone
 
I did the same thing a poorly planned cycle no ai no pct that doesn't mean that's what caused my low t it probably didn't help.

Sleep apnea can cause low t. You can have a sleep study to actually see if you have apnea.

A pituitary tumor can mess up the function of the HPTA your dr cab order an MRI ti rule this out.

These could be a cause of your low t. You need to investigate what's causing your low t before you look to medication.

I know thus isn't what you want to hear I sure didn't but you need to find the root cause of the low t before trying to put a protocol together.
 
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Thanks a lot for your help. I am curious about my doctor what is going to say to me tomorrow. If the doctor give me a therapy tomorrow i will post it here.
 
HCG with nolvadex and proviron will make things worse. You need to take the advice above and make absolutely sure that it was a cycle that did this. Unless you got blood work before your cycle that is. (Doesn't sound like it. )

Once everything else has been ruled out, I would then look into clomid therapy and see if that can't restart your HPTA. It would be pointless to do so though if you have a pituitary problem or sleep apnea is wrecking havoc on your body. Mention these to your doctor and see what they say.

Hopefully it's something that can be fixed relatively easy and quickly. Hang in there, things can only get better from here.

My .02c :)
 
Give the Basic TRT Overview sticky thread a read. That will give you a better understanding of TRT.

As for restarts, it typically starts with just hCG to get the testicles working again at full capacity and then it switches to just clomid to get the pituitary working again. Your doc should be able to guide you in this he he/she has TRT experience.
 
Megatron28 said:
Give the Basic TRT Overview sticky thread a read. That will give you a better understanding of TRT.

As for restarts, it typically starts with just hCG to get the testicles working again at full capacity and then it switches to just clomid to get the pituitary working again. Your doc should be able to guide you in this he he/she has TRT experience.
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^^ Depends, Check with us first, LOL ^^
 
I just got the results of my sperm count and i have only 2.000.000 sperms :( the normal is over 20.000.000.
Tomorrow i am going to my doctor and i will brief my article.
So i must do a therapy for low fsh , lh testo and to increase my sperm. F--k
 
I just came from the doctor, he told me that i must start a therapy with pregnyl and testosterone nebido. Therapy will go up to 6 months. One shot of nebido for three months and one shot of pregnyl 1500 every third day. Very long time for therapy too many shots :(
I have some questions that i would really need an answer please.
1) Do you think that this therapy might help me?
2) Do i have to take some nolvadex with that therapy to fight the estrogens because i believe that with so many pregnyl i will have a problem with gyno.
3) Can i continue to lift heavy weights in gym or should i do more cardio?
4) And last question and most important should i worry about something else that it might happen to my health with this therapy?
 
Also i take a supplement of creatine these days is it ok to continue with this and pregnyl together or it is too much water retation (bloating)?
 
George1989 said:
I just came from the doctor, he told me that i must start a therapy with pregnyl and testosterone nebido. Therapy will go up to 6 months. One shot of nebido for three months and one shot of pregnyl 1500 every third day. Very long time for therapy too many shots :(
I have some questions that i would really need an answer please.
1) Do you think that this therapy might help me?
2) Do i have to take some nolvadex with that therapy to fight the estrogens because i believe that with so many pregnyl i will have a problem with gyno.
3) Can i continue to lift heavy weights in gym or should i do more cardio?
4) And last question and most important should i worry about something else that it might happen to my health with this therapy?
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Why was your doctor opposed to trying a restart first before putting you on TRT? That is the first question you should be asking.
 
I dont know why he gave me this therapy. Do you think that it might help me? If you have the time i would like from you to answer my previous questions. Thank you.
 
George1989 said:
I just came from the doctor, he told me that i must start a therapy with pregnyl and testosterone nebido. Therapy will go up to 6 months. One shot of nebido for three months and one shot of pregnyl 1500 every third day. Very long time for therapy too many shots :(
I have some questions that i would really need an answer please.
1) Do you think that this therapy might help me?
2) Do i have to take some nolvadex with that therapy to fight the estrogens because i believe that with so many pregnyl i will have a problem with gyno.
3) Can i continue to lift heavy weights in gym or should i do more cardio?
4) And last question and most important should i worry about something else that it might happen to my health with this therapy?
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1. No, I do not. If you go on TRT it needs to be for the rest of your life. Not for 6 months. Going on for 6 months and stopping will just further suppress your HPTA.

2. No. Nolvadex is a SERM, meaning it does not inhibit the aromatization of testosterone into estradiol. If your estradiol is elevated on that protocol you would need an Aromatase Inhibitor (e.g. Arimidex or Aromasin).


3. Doing both is encouraged regardless of what medications you are taking

4. Yes. Most importantly what I brought up in my #1 response here. You should also worry about the longterm health effects of untreated hypogonadism.
 
Megatron28 said:
1. No, I do not. If you go on TRT it needs to be for the rest of your life. Not for 6 months. Going on for 6 months and stopping will just further suppress your HPTA.

2. No. Nolvadex is a SERM, meaning it does not inhibit the aromatization of testosterone into estradiol. If your estradiol is elevated on that protocol you would need an Aromatase Inhibitor (e.g. Arimidex or Aromasin).


3. Doing both is encouraged regardless of what medications you are taking

4. Yes. Most importantly what I brought up in my #1 response here. You should also worry about the longterm health effects of untreated hypogonadism.
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So i will start only with pregnyl every third day 1500 for 3 months. No nebido, no nolvadex. Thanks a lot megatron.
 
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