Megatron28
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I would not do that necessarily!!! I am not advising you to just take hCG.
What about clomid? Have you ruled out things like hypothyroidism and sleep apnea?
Hypogonadism Help problem with low hormones
- Thread starter George1989
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I would not do that necessarily!!! I am not advising you to just take hCG.
What about clomid? Have you ruled out things like hypothyroidism and sleep apnea?
George1989
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I dont have sleep apnea or hypothiroidism.
So what therapy do you suggest for me and for how long :/
So what therapy do you suggest for me and for how long :/
Megatron28
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I seem to be repeating myself a lot. I would work with your doctor on doing a restart protocol. Please go back a reread posts #2, #9 #14, and #16.
George1989
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Update
After an appoitment with an endo (specialized in athletes) i started therapy with pregnyl 1500x3 per week for 4 weeks and 45 days nolvadex 20mg per day i am almost finishing therapy and the results are: mood swings , water retention a bit, more strength in the gym but low libido and acne since i stopped pregnyl and i am taking only nolva. I am thinking that low libido is a result of nolva probably.
I have also started vitamins C , E ,B , D and a multivitamin.
After i finish my therapy i am going to give it one month and then i am going for Blood test
After an appoitment with an endo (specialized in athletes) i started therapy with pregnyl 1500x3 per week for 4 weeks and 45 days nolvadex 20mg per day i am almost finishing therapy and the results are: mood swings , water retention a bit, more strength in the gym but low libido and acne since i stopped pregnyl and i am taking only nolva. I am thinking that low libido is a result of nolva probably.
I have also started vitamins C , E ,B , D and a multivitamin.
After i finish my therapy i am going to give it one month and then i am going for Blood test
Megatron28
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Sounds like high estradiol indirectly caused by your treatment. Testosterone aromatizes into estrogen. Have you run any blood work to check estradiol?
George1989
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No, i have not run blood work. I thought that it was better to just wait for one month at least and then run blood work.
What do you suppose? Maybe i go now for a blood test and then again after 1,5 month?
Megatron28
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Sounds good.
George1989
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I have my results of blood test after my restart that i mention above.
testosterone 402ng/dl limits 262-1593,
PRL 6,1 limits 3,28-19,68 ,
estradiol 38,2 limits 20-75
T3 0,80 limits 0,6-1,7
T4 6,72 limits 4,5-12,5
TSH 2,48 limits 0,4-4,5
My testosterone is higher than before but still low. I am thinking take for one month only vitamins ( D3, C , E , B ) and then maybe start a clomid cycle.
testosterone 402ng/dl limits 262-1593,
PRL 6,1 limits 3,28-19,68 ,
estradiol 38,2 limits 20-75
T3 0,80 limits 0,6-1,7
T4 6,72 limits 4,5-12,5
TSH 2,48 limits 0,4-4,5
My testosterone is higher than before but still low. I am thinking take for one month only vitamins ( D3, C , E , B ) and then maybe start a clomid cycle.
George1989
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Any ideas?
George1989
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Do you think that it is a good idea to take clomid at this point?
Also libido is gone after nolvadex. Can i take something to help me with that or i must wait so nolvadex clear my system?
Also libido is gone after nolvadex. Can i take something to help me with that or i must wait so nolvadex clear my system?
George1989
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Guys i would need some help over here
newbull8769
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I had this happen on TRT. I stayed on cycle too long in early 20's. days. Never recovered, for some reason my magnesium levels went hypo several years later. Constant very craps, to point very bad cramps in AM.
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George1989
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UPDATE
1 month of Hcg 750iu x 3 per week
nolvadex 20mg ed
aromasin 12,5 eod
I made a blood test, results:
FSH 0,05 mU /ml 1.00-12.00 mU /ml
LH 0.08 mU /ml 2.00-12.00 mU /ml
E2 34 pg/ml 11 - 50 pg/ml
PRL 7,82 ng/ml 3,28 - 19,68 ng/ml
T 10,13ng/ml 2.60 - 12.00 ng/ml
SHBG 36,0 nmol/l 14 - 71 nmol/l
AFTER THAT I STARTED CLOMID 25mg ed AND NOLVADEX 20mg ed
Blood results 6 days after i stopped clomid and nolvadex:
MCV 90,4 fL 80,5-98,5
HCT 50,8 % 39-52
MPV PLT 12,6 fL 6,3 - 11
PDW - PLT 22,0 % 13,5-21,5
GLYCOZE 75 mg/dl 70 - 110
CHOLYSTEROL 168 mg/dl 125-200
SGOT 24 U/L 5 - 40
SGPT 32 U/L 5 - 40
Y-GT 15 U/L 0 - 60
TSH 5,46 mIU/mL 0,4 - 4,5 ( maybe it has increased because i had cut my calories by 10% deficit only for 5 days)
FSH 2,3 mIU/mL 0,7 - 11.1
LH 1,9 mIU/ml 0,8- 7,6
PRL 4,3 ng/ml 2,5 - 17,0
T 374 ng/dl 262-1593
SHBG 41,8 nmol/l 13 - 71
E2 30,1 pg/ml 20-75
At this point that i am now, i have all the symptoms of low testosterone of course, and also no morning wood, no wood actually.
I would like your advices. Thank you.
1 month of Hcg 750iu x 3 per week
nolvadex 20mg ed
aromasin 12,5 eod
I made a blood test, results:
FSH 0,05 mU /ml 1.00-12.00 mU /ml
LH 0.08 mU /ml 2.00-12.00 mU /ml
E2 34 pg/ml 11 - 50 pg/ml
PRL 7,82 ng/ml 3,28 - 19,68 ng/ml
T 10,13ng/ml 2.60 - 12.00 ng/ml
SHBG 36,0 nmol/l 14 - 71 nmol/l
AFTER THAT I STARTED CLOMID 25mg ed AND NOLVADEX 20mg ed
Blood results 6 days after i stopped clomid and nolvadex:
MCV 90,4 fL 80,5-98,5
HCT 50,8 % 39-52
MPV PLT 12,6 fL 6,3 - 11
PDW - PLT 22,0 % 13,5-21,5
GLYCOZE 75 mg/dl 70 - 110
CHOLYSTEROL 168 mg/dl 125-200
SGOT 24 U/L 5 - 40
SGPT 32 U/L 5 - 40
Y-GT 15 U/L 0 - 60
TSH 5,46 mIU/mL 0,4 - 4,5 ( maybe it has increased because i had cut my calories by 10% deficit only for 5 days)
FSH 2,3 mIU/mL 0,7 - 11.1
LH 1,9 mIU/ml 0,8- 7,6
PRL 4,3 ng/ml 2,5 - 17,0
T 374 ng/dl 262-1593
SHBG 41,8 nmol/l 13 - 71
E2 30,1 pg/ml 20-75
At this point that i am now, i have all the symptoms of low testosterone of course, and also no morning wood, no wood actually.
I would like your advices. Thank you.
George1989
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This is my first time that TSH is high. Previous blood tests before all this, it was inside the limits.
George1989
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hiram1st
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I'm not an expert but the clomid therapy usually goes longer than a month there are a lot of threads here on the subject that being said you need to wait about 6 weeks before you get bloodwork after stopping the clomid and nolva just like if you were cycling and doing a PCT those drugs need to clear to get a accurate blood test.
Your T number right now is a little higher than low not that good in my book. If you waited the 6 weeks you could possibly see a 40% increase which would put you a little over 500. Only way to know is wait and get bloodwork again.
George1989
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Yes, you are right i probably should had take clomid more than 4 weeks but i was feeling awful Bro,
I had very bad side effects with clomid.
Also, i had lost my libido, even with low testosterone i could have sex one time per day but now nothing.
hiram1st
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That clomid really does a number on some guys sorry to hear that. Well you could try waiting and get bloodwork again and see where your number is but it looks like your secondary hypogonadyl and you would definitely benefit from TRT
George1989
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Today i have an appoitment with my endo. I will update after this again.
I am really down general in my health right now and i know that probably i must go the TRT way.
I have read all the stickies in here and i know that it has its benefits.
To tell you the truth i want to live my life to maximum, not like a living dead that i am now.
Also, in my work i am personal trainer in a gym on winter and lifeguard in the summer so i must be really focus and with energy in both of them. And my low test brings me down.
I am open to suggestions.
I am really down general in my health right now and i know that probably i must go the TRT way.
I have read all the stickies in here and i know that it has its benefits.
To tell you the truth i want to live my life to maximum, not like a living dead that i am now.
Also, in my work i am personal trainer in a gym on winter and lifeguard in the summer so i must be really focus and with energy in both of them. And my low test brings me down.
I am open to suggestions.
