I now know what pullingbig has been ranting about

jcp2

jcp2

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I did my first squatting without a box, wider stance, to parallel, i guess ever. These are not easy, and if you do not have a strong core and back you will not be able to do 75% of the weight you normally use. I was good for much more than i did today but i wanted to get that feel. I think i did the first true parallel squats in the history of my gym over 135, lol. Now i know what he means when you can only take peoples squat poundages on the internet with a grain of salt.
 
jcp2 said:
I I think i did the first true parallel squats in the history of my gym over 135, lol.
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you know what homo..i think i need to make that quote my signature lol
i died laughing

fri was the first free squats for me as well in at least 12 weeks..it felt good
 
i did the first one below parallel at my gym of 125 lbs :) But my max knee jerk is around 250 lol

this guy at my gym said something that got me thinking. he said that theres no point in going below parallel because then the weight just shifts onto your shins. He also bashed a ton of other powerlifting methods but thats not the point. im wondering, what is the reason to go below parralel. if your hips were directly between your legs and below your knees, there would be absolutely no stress on your upper legs. same thing for if your hips are directly above your knees(standing up), there is little to no stress on your upper legs. So the point of the most stress on your upper legs is exactly at parallel. so wouldnt posative 30 degrees from whatever your "parallel" position is, have the same load on the same muscles same as negative 30 degrees from your parallel position? If thats true, then its like bench pressing all the way down, 1/2 way up, down again, then all the way up. whats the point?
 
be very weary of so called "gym experts" as well as people on here..
just because he mentioned something that seemed to make sense to you doenst mean its right..because he's wrong going below para doesnt trasnfer the weight to your shins it puts it on the hips/glutes and TAKES it off the knees..
 
lol... jcp, i won't call you a homo. :)
this is one reason why i can't squat- i don't count the ones that aren't at least parallel and going that low is SOOO much harder than going just above.
good for you for doing it though.
 
I disagree with the weight shifting to your shins below paralell. I think it shift to your hips. Either way alot of people knock them and go not even to paralell, which I believe is worse on your knees. I had a miniscus problem last year which popped on a 15 plate leg press. I took off for a few weeks and nursed it back after an MRI picked up a small problem. However I truley believe I did the right thing. I started training it lightly then the weight eventually went up and is now heavier than ever. I think the knee grew stronger to the load.
Now had I pussed out I would be no where !!! If you cheat your lifts your only cheating your self. Dont lie to yourself guys and gals it supposed to be hard work on you.....not easy.
 
Butt to the floor is the only way for me. Bring it down slow and explode it up. I crack up at the guys who do so-called heavy squat, hack or leg press and they go down about 10 inches and come back. Fu#king ridiculous waste.
 
exactly ..... a Fu#king ridiculous waste


bula said:
Butt to the floor is the only way for me. Bring it down slow and explode it up. I crack up at the guys who do so-called heavy squat, hack or leg press and they go down about 10 inches and come back. Fu#king ridiculous waste.
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You know, to be honest, i was going ass to grass with 225 for 3x6 and was stuck for several weeks, couldn't get anything more. Sent a video to pullinbig and my form was horrible.

Now that it's corrected, i'm struggling with 135 for 2x5 but at least it's with damn good form now. So, i hear ya about those squats. Lot's of guys i see with 300+ squats who weigh 135-150 i just have a hard time believing they are doing proper form lol. I'm sure some can, but most i bet have lowsy form.
 
what was wrong with yuor form if you dont mind me asking?


Firehawk734 said:
You know, to be honest, i was going ass to grass with 225 for 3x6 and was stuck for several weeks, couldn't get anything more. Sent a video to pullinbig and my form was horrible.

Now that it's corrected, i'm struggling with 135 for 2x5 but at least it's with damn good form now. So, i hear ya about those squats. Lot's of guys i see with 300+ squats who weigh 135-150 i just have a hard time believing they are doing proper form lol. I'm sure some can, but most i bet have lowsy form.
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Was folding mainly. Ass was going up in the air and i wasn't staying underneath the bar. Wasn't sitting back enough either.

Basically all the common stuff lol.

It was a huge ego buster to go from 225 back to bodyweight and practice the form like that, believe me.
 
the way i look at it weight never was an issue for me, honestly i dont care about how much weight i do its weather or not if i am growing. As long as i see strength and size gains i am happy.
 
Yeah I think one of the toughest things to learn is exactly what you said.

It isn't about how much you can do compared to others, just about if the weight you are doing is being done properly and you are growing from it. That's very tough to learn though lol. Especially for newblings.

IIt's a thin line really. I sometimes find myself in a hurry to want to increase the weight and i should be worried about getting the best form i can with the heaviest weight. You get what i mean?

I definitely care what i put up, but i should not worry about what my numbers compare to others...easy to say, tough to practice, especially when you like to be the best at something lol..
 
I was talking to a buddy of mine last night, he plays AAA Ball and he was talking about how he needs to get back in the gym bc right now he is doing rehab.

I asked what he squats and he said when he's on he squats 465.

Now I am quite a bit stronger than this guy and I could probably get 405 on a good day. I didnt even bother asking how deep he goes. All I know is that whenever I squat, people in my gym either say 'You're gonna hurt your knees' or 'Wow, I've never seen anyone squat that low before'
 
He probably thinks leg presses are the same thing as squats lol. Quite a few people do. Who knows man? Let him put 465 on the bar and get sandwiched lol.
 
jackcity10 said:
i did the first one below parallel at my gym of 125 lbs :) But my max knee jerk is around 250 lol

this guy at my gym said something that got me thinking. he said that theres no point in going below parallel because then the weight just shifts onto your shins. He also bashed a ton of other powerlifting methods but thats not the point. im wondering, what is the reason to go below parralel. if your hips were directly between your legs and below your knees, there would be absolutely no stress on your upper legs. same thing for if your hips are directly above your knees(standing up), there is little to no stress on your upper legs. So the point of the most stress on your upper legs is exactly at parallel. so wouldnt posative 30 degrees from whatever your "parallel" position is, have the same load on the same muscles same as negative 30 degrees from your parallel position? If thats true, then its like bench pressing all the way down, 1/2 way up, down again, then all the way up. whats the point?
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well um i do squats for more than my upper legs. its a compound movement. hips, glutes, hams. lower back upper back, quads. and jack i remeber the clips you sent me of you squatting. tell the guy at the gym he is an idiot and just looking a reason not to squat. i am not a huge squatter by any means but have put up some decent numbers. and i do know that squtting deep builds larger legs than those courtsey squats i have seen.

also when i squat i go below parallel in raw training. esp if they are pause squats. all the way down with a big pause and then drive back. i can assure that my ass, hams, quads, hips and everything gets very sore.

for you guys that dont wanna take it deep thats fine but dont post that bullshit on here. most of these guys here are looking to get big and strong.
 
when squatting below parallel is it ok to be leaning forward from the hips ( head forward to knees) or should you still have your trunk perpendicular to the floor?
 
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