I'll be glad when this MLB thing blow over

pontius

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I'm getting tired of all this crap! They're gonna screw it up for the rest of us.


Steve Jacobson
SPORTS COLUMNIST
Kids' lives are at stake

February 29, 2004


What do we care if our sports stars pump themselves full of laboratory concoctions as long as they fill the arena with excitement? What do we care if they inflate their bodies until they look not like Popeye but Bluto and die at 50 from a rotted liver or clogged arteries? It's their lives and they get big bucks to entertain us.

They're gladiators, aren't they? And what business is it of ours what's in those bottles in their lockers or what strength counselors hand out as (wink) nutrition?

We like those tape-measure home runs, and who are we to ask how come one of our favorite players reports to camp so much slimmer?

But just a minute. What if your son and daughter are on the brink of being big-time athletes, getting scholarships, maybe going to the big leagues. Would you tell your son or daughter to get the chemical help they need?

I asked that of a doctor who is informed on both the sports scene and the chemical-boost industry and chose not to be identified. "Absolutely not," he responded. "Under no circumstances. I'd work hard to see they didn't use those substances."

Athletes like to say they aren't role models, but that, in medical Latin, is phonus balonus. I have a 1998 letter from a professor of pharmacology about Mark McGwire's admitted use of then-permitted androstenedione: "If McGwire breaks Maris' home-run record, it's reasonable to expect a whole generation of adolescent athletes will be taking the supplement."

Indeed, Mark McGwire broke the treasured record and sales of andro doubled. Poor McGwire. He was a very good player before his knee injury wouldn't heal.

Kids do all kinds of crazy stuff. Half the teenagers surveyed in a study by Blue Cross and Blue Shield could not name a single negative side effect of performance-enhancing drugs. Everybody knew they worked. The drugs are more effective than ever and harder than ever to detect.

I'm told of a marginal major-leaguer who felt he was just short of a career in The Show. He said he needed something to get his best shots past the warning track. He boosted himself to the big leagues last year, boosted his salary from $30,000 to $300,000, and if he can last a few more seasons, maybe he will leave a financially secure widow at 50.

Never mind, for the moment, what baseball's fixation on power and better things for better living through chemistry have done to the sacred records. Doesn't this culture of drugs tell your kids that they can't compete unless they're willing to risk their health and maybe their lives?

The baseball union resists realistic drug testing. The owners invested all that public money in building new homer-friendly stadiums, and they don't want to taint the results.

We spend millions on nostrums - a baby aspirin a day - that might reduce the risk of heart attack by 20 percent. What about drugs that double the risk of heart attack or damage the liver? The liver is a useful organ.

We know a drug for anemia - EPO - that enables blood to carry more oxygen. It killed some bike racers. We have mostly short-term non-information, except for Lyle Alzado, who said football-enhancing steroids were what was killing him. Doctors found types of cancer in him that are rare in younger people.

What happens in the long term? "We don't really know," my doctor-expert said. The opinion is that there is damage to the endocrine system, particularly to the reproductive system, liver damage, blood vessel damage.

In the short term, there is suspicion that muscles are so strengthened that connective ligaments and tendons are pulled apart, typically in chronic knee injuries. There also is large bone growth, often increasing hat size and the size of the jaw. We've noticed a number of athletes with braces; maybe they couldn't afford them as teenagers. Acne eruptions on the face and back are suspected effects. It's hard to apply Clearasil to your back.

What are we to think when even Joe Torre notes that Jason Giambi looks slimmer? Giambi did have surgery on his knee for a condition similar to McGwire's, didn't he?

A study years ago asked athletes if they'd risk death at 50 to win a gold medal now; an overwhelming number said yes. Wouldn't it be effective if it could be proven to athletes that their homer-juice made them impotent? Or is the lure of the spotlight greater even than sex?

Now that the people from BALCO have been indicted, will some of our most prominent baseball players be called on to testify? Will what they say and what if indicted sellers tell baseball something it doesn't want to hear?

Maybe we don't care. Unless we think about sons or daughters who can't compete without risking their health and their ability to have children.
 
Another ignorant reporter who has no idea what he is talking about...maybe we should invite him over here... he may actually learn something... and the whole thing that they will die when they are 50....Lets see...how many baseball players have died before they were 50 due to any type of health conditions?? I like how he threw in the aspirin reducing heart attacks....how many people have died from using aspirin???
 
Hmmm, how can we pull in more votes yet find a demographic that is not open about their use of something because it is not socially exceptable so it doesn't cause heated debate hence not changing peoples minds that were against something to start with therefore actually losing votes. Steroids you say,ding,ding,ding.
 
pontius said:
I'm getting tired of all this crap! They're gonna screw it up for the rest of us.


Steve Jacobson
SPORTS COLUMNIST
Kids' lives are at stake

February 29, 2004

Never mind, for the moment, what baseball's fixation on power and better things for better living through chemistry have done to the sacred records. Doesn't this culture of drugs tell your kids that they can't compete unless they're willing to risk their health and maybe their lives?


best qoute ever

this guy is obvouisly one dumb fuck comparing death to performancing drugs yeah because so many people die each year of steroid use or other performing enhancing drugs
 
WTF, people have been using ASS for a very long time now and nobody is dropping dead. And if they are its from other conditions. Steroids alone are not as bad as uneducated people think. Yea orals are toxic to the liver but taken in right dosages with some milk thistle, you would be fine. Moderation is the key. Its dumb ass columists like this that give ASS a bad rep. Maybe someone from here should also write a colume telling more the truth then BS.
 
Here is mine. If there is any errors, blame Spikey! He proofed it! lol :D


Mr. Jacobson,

I am writing you regarding your article entitled "Kids' lives are at stake." Although the ignorant masses reading your spew may believe what you say without question, I can think for myself and do not need someone to make up fallacies regarding steroid abuse in our society. You speak of rotten livers and clogged arteries because of professional athletes using steroids. If you insist on making claims such as these, please back them up with medical proof and documentation. I know you chose not to do that because you cannot! Getting a doctor that obviously knows nothing about Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) to shout how they are a terrible substance is not compelling to your argument either. I can find hundreds that study Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) to cite the opposite. Contrary to popular belief, steroids are not the evil substance you and your colleagues in the media portray them to be. They have actually been used to help millions of people with health problems, and others that just want to lose body fat and retain muscle. Of course they can be abused, but at least when taken with some regard for safety, they can have positive effects on one's health. Can you say that for cigarettes or alcohol?

You accuse the baseball union of not wanting to conduct realistic drug tests. What is a "Realistic drug test?" Do you have a magic test that can detect all of the millions of possible steroid combinations/metabolites that can be produced and hidden from modern science? Can you find a testing procedure that can detect the "short acting esters" which are what many orally taken steroids are comprised of? The answer to these questions is a resounding "No!" Some of the orally taken steroids can be eliminated from one's body within a matter of hours, however, their effects on muscle size and strength will still remain. Until a testing procedure that is 100% accurate and infallible can be done, I say they are all a waste! Although the orally taken steroids that are c17 alpha alkylated can raise liver values, studies on AIDS patients that rely on these types of steroids to prevent muscle wasting have shown these values lower when the steroid is discontinued and have not caused the supposed damage that was once suspected. Injected steroids do not make their initial pass through the liver and therefore do not put much, if any, strain on it. If you woud like to see strain on the liver, take legal Tylenol!

Where do we draw the line on what is acceptable and what is not? Is it okay to use a heavier wooden bat, larger gloves, or cleats that grips better? What about using humidifiers to store baseballs? You say those items do not effect humans themselves? Okay, what about protein drinks? What about modern medicine? What about new diet information? New surgical techniques? How will you control or test for genetic manipulation which is just around the corner in the future? None of this information/procedures were available to Babe Ruth....the drunk himself! You mention Lyle Alzado. Yes, he said steroids killed him. Well, I hate to rain on your parade again, but it has been medically proven that he did not die from steroid abuse despite his claims. According to the medical community, the possible negative effects on long term steroid use is still out. The short term effects have been proven to have been exaggerated as far as any negative effects. One can definitely look at the thousands of bodybuilders and football players from the 60's-70's and see they are not dropping like flies or having negative health problems related to steroids. This is incredible considering most of these people probably had taken enough to choke a race horse! If you would like to read an article about a man that has been on steroids for over 40 years, I have attached the link for you. Another article regarding this man was also in the magazine Muscular Development December 2002 issue. His name is Bob Clapp.

Please make an attempt to educate yourself in the future before you spout off about something that you obviously have no factual information on. If you would like any help in retreiving some medical studies that show your view is quite distorted from reality, please feel free to ask.


Tee

Link to story: http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/issues/2002-08-15/nelson.html/1/index.html
 
I can't wait to see what MLB players stats look like this year. Especially if players other than Giambi are scared into going natural because of fear of being exposed. And wonder what Canseco looks like if he goes off and plays for the Dodgers.
 
Well, Ill say one thing, he is fast! Here is Mr. Jacobson's reply to my letter.


thanks for writing. good luck, but don't compare unlike issues. I am not a doctor. obviously, I speak to experts on the drug subject. I have passed on your argument to my sources. Regards, sj
 
thefantom1 said:
Another ignorant reporter who has no idea what he is talking about...maybe we should invite him over here... he may actually learn something... and the whole thing that they will die when they are 50....Lets see...how many baseball players have died before they were 50 due to any type of health conditions?? I like how he threw in the aspirin reducing heart attacks....how many people have died from using aspirin???

1100 died from aspirin in 2003

just thought i would add some fuel to the fire
 
Kids wont die doing a little steroids even if they got their hands on it, now crack can kill. I knew a couple juicers in high school and they were short, but they were still living and breathing.

Do I condone kids doing drugs? Hell no, but lets not tell lies about people dying (writers). People try to teach their kids to be honest and then look at the bullshit people pump out of their mouths.
 
hisswoleness said:
1100 died from aspirin in 2003

just thought i would add some fuel to the fire

Good information to have on hand, whats your source, and how does it compare to Tylenol induced death/chirrosis? It would also be good to know what the break down of aspriin deaths are, brain bleeding, liver, etc
 
fucking roids in baseball is worse than the fact that all these fuckers in the USA are pushing for legal weed. its god damn rediculous.
 
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