Increase Test or bring in another compound?

[Greatful]

We have all heard the phrase "Test is Best".
With that being said...why?
Leads me to wonder what the benefits or lack thereof on simply raising ones Test would be, as apposed to adding another compound.

If your base Test was 500mg, is it quite demonstrated that an additional 500mg of Deca or another compound would be more effective than an additional 500mg of Test?
Now I know 500mg of Tren is obviously going to be much more powerful than Test on a gram for gram basis, but I'm hoping you understand my question in general.
Is there a more prominent point of diminishing returns with just upping Test as apposed to adding an additional compound?

There is a part of me that wants to find out what 3G's of Test will do before I bring in another compound.
Then drop down to say 500-750/mg of Test and then begin experimenting with other compounds.
Just looking for angles I may be overlooking.

And while I am talking about parts of me, part of me is glad x-mas is over
Bring on the new year mothafackas!

 

[Norsegod]

3 grams of test is a lot even for an ifbb pro. It's not that the added compounds is better than more test. it's the way they work together, complimenting one another. Make sure you know how you react to test at different doses-safely!-then start to experiment with other compounds. Good luck, brother.

 

[Mad- scientist]

Honestly I use to think similar to you. I figured why not keep upping testosterone. Well what happens is it gets to a point where you have so much testosterone turning into DHT and estrogen that you start to get some shitty side effects. I find that something like 700mgs of testosterone and about 500mgs of deca give great results but the side effects are not as bad as if you were to just double your testosterone.

I just recently got my blood tests back from being on a big cycle and my testosterone levels were above 10'000 ng/dl and I would have to say I feel like the side effects have got in the way of me wanting to work out and getting bigger. I learned the hard way but honestly my lesson learned is more is not always better. The thing about steroids is their is a line that you cross where side effects start to happen.

The shitty thing about side effects with steroids is that you have a long estered drug in your system so the side effects keep happening for a while. And everything you can do to combat the side effects takes time. So a lot of times while trying to combat a negative side effect the side effect will get worse. My point is some times mixing up steroids can lessen side effects. Just make sure you are mixing steroids that do not work in the same way if you are using large dosages of both.

 

[skinnypete]

Honestly I use to think similar to you. I figured why not keep upping testosterone. Well what happens is it gets to a point where you have so much testosterone turning into DHT and estrogen that you start to get some shitty side effects. I find that something like 700mgs of testosterone and about 500mgs of deca give great results but the side effects are not as bad as if you were to just double your testosterone.

I just recently got my blood tests back from being on a big cycle and my testosterone levels were above 10'000 ng/dl and I would have to say I feel like the side effects have got in the way of me wanting to work out and getting bigger. I learned the hard way but honestly my lesson learned is more is not always better. The thing about steroids is their is a line that you cross where side effects start to happen.

The shitty thing about side effects with steroids is that you have a long estered drug in your system so the side effects keep happening for a while. And everything you can do to combat the side effects takes time. So a lot of times while trying to combat a negative side effect the side effect will get worse. My point is some times mixing up steroids can lessen side effects. Just make sure you are mixing steroids that do not work in the same way if you are using large dosages of both.

Damn! What were you dosing the test MS?

 

[Teutonic]

it s like when someone steps on a jelly fish...you clean them off..tell em to wait..." WAIT For what ??!!" For it to quit hurting...same with sides to a degree...you got to find a dose that will produce both gains you can wait on and sides you can deal with or start anti side drugs at the problem...you become a hormonal rollercoaster...akin to swallowing a handful of benzo s to shake off the blow...not a kind of analogy bbders like to hear but....this can be a very very UNHEALTHY hobby/habit/obsession/lifestyleprofessionbodydismorficdisorder...

3 grams ? 1.5 was the most ever and that was to compete and to place or win.....but..some lessons cannot explained. I cannot take a crap w o wincing as my knee s are fucked but I once squatted 405 x 15 w o a suit, my back is a joke..but I did pull 500x x 8 , I m in need of shoulder surgery but instead am inclining 135 and 155 20-30 times...strength has it uses and size as well..but at 50...frankly..I don t care as much as I do maintaining 195 leaned out or 205 and full. I want to look decent FOREVER..

youse guys...go for it....i d not do it again...

 

[Mad- scientist]

I was taking 850mgs of testosterone a week with 600mgs of masteron a week. I didn't mean for my testosterone levels to get so high. I thought they would be around 5000 at the highest.

 

[Rastas]

I was taking 850mgs of testosterone a week with 600mgs of masteron a week. I didn't mean for my testosterone levels to get so high. I thought they would be around 5000 at the highest.

That is EXACTLY what I ran this year. 12 weeks of testosterone including 8 weeks of Masteron. Loved it.

 

[Mad- scientist]

I really enjoyed the cycle but acne hit me really hard out of the blue. It got so bad I pretty much can't even work out or else it will get way worse. I cut out the masteron and it is still bad. Lol it's only going to go away for me when I am off cycle I know it. Masteron is a cool steroid I liked it a lot. I did notice I was a lot more short tempered on it. I feel way nicer off of it. I was just being a dick head to people who annoyed me. I feel bad that I was being a dick head. It is weird because I honestly did not notice I was being mean until I stopped taking masteron. Honestly steroids can really effect how some one acts it is odd. In good ways and bad ways.