injecting with insulin needle

jph

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probably a dumb question, but would it be possible to inject deep enough into the muscle with an insulin needle to be able to inject tren with it? the reason i ask is i have never ran tren and i am fixing to do my cycle and don't like the idea of all the extra scar tissue from the eod injections on top of the twice weekly test injections. it seems like the delts would be a good spot to do this if a person was to use an insulin needle. i would use the normal 25g needle for the test injections.
 
u can get them long enough but the oil is to thick to load a slin pin unless u take the back off and load it that way but it takes forever to shot ,just use the regular size 23,25g pins they go in like butter
 
Nothing wrong with sub-q injections with gear...only part is how do you get it to flow through a 29g needle?
 
SleepingGiant said:
whaat you can go sub q with test?
yes you can but i believe it increases the risk of abcess's and takes longer to enter the blood stream...also injecting too shallow will leave you with some nasty lumps.
 
I inject test with a slin pin into low fat areas like my shoulders, tris, bi's, lats, pecs, etc..., but i dont know about the tren. I have a bottle and its some thick looking shit. Its brewed with EO too. Ill let you know in about 2 weeks if it works or not.
 
SleepingGiant said:
hrmm nobody ever mentioned this to me :eek:

I will continue with IM though.


you can only do 1/2 cc at a time so its not real practical unless youre shooting prop(or some other kind of gear that requires eod or ed injects) or on HRT.
 
Search/Rescue said:
I find that hard to believe.


U should really do some reserach into this .........


STABLE TESTOSTERONE LEVELS ACHIEVED
WITH SUBCUTANEOUS TESTOSTERONE
INJECTIONS
M.B. Greenspan, C.M. Chang
Division of Urology, Department of Surgery, McMaster University,
Hamilton, ON, Canada
Objectives: The preferred technique of androgen replacement
has been intramuscular (IM) testosterone, but wide
variations in testosterone levels are often seen. Subcutaneous
(SC) testosterone injection is a novel approach; however,
its physiological effects are unclear. We therefore investigated
the sustainability of stable testosterone levels using
SC therapy. Patients and methods: Between May and
September 2005, we conducted a small pilot study involving
10 male patients with symptomatic late-onset hypogonadism.
Every patient had been stable on TE 200 mg IM for
41 year. Patients were instructed to self-inject with
testosterone enanthate (TE) 100 mg SC (DELATESTRYL
200 mg/cc, Theramed Corp, Canada) into the anterior
abdomen once weekly. Some patients were down-titrated
to 50 mg based on their total testosterone (T) at 4 weeks.
Informed consent was obtained as SC testosterone administration
is not officially approved by Health Canada. T
levels were measured before and 24 hours after injection
during weeks 1, 2, 3, and 4, and 96 hours after injection
in week 6 and 8. At week 12, PSA, CBC, and T levels
were measured however; the week 12 data are still being
collected. Results: Prior to initiation of SC therapy, T
was 19.14+3.48 nmol/l, hemoglobin 15.8+1.3 g/dl, hematocrit
0.47+0.02, and PSA 1.05+0.65 ng/ml. During
the first 4 weeks, there was a steady increase in
pre-injection T from 19.14+3.48 to 23.89+9.15 nmol/l
(p¼0.1). However, after 8 weeks the post-injection T
(25.77+7.67 nmol/l) remained similar to that of week 1
(27.46+12.91 nmol/l). Patients tolerated this therapy with
no adverse effects. Conclusions: A once-week SC injection
of 50–100 mg of TE appears to achieve sustainable and
stable levels of physiological T. This technique offers
fewer physician visits and the use of smaller quantity of
medication, thus lower costs. However, the long term
clinical and physiological effects of this therapy need further
evaluation.
 
StoneColdNTO said:
U should really do some reserach into this .........


STABLE TESTOSTERONE LEVELS ACHIEVED
WITH SUBCUTANEOUS TESTOSTERONE
INJECTIONS
M.B. Greenspan, C.M. Chang
Division of Urology, Department of Surgery, McMaster University,
Hamilton, ON, Canada
Objectives: The preferred technique of androgen replacement
has been intramuscular (IM) testosterone, but wide
variations in testosterone levels are often seen. Subcutaneous
(SC) testosterone injection is a novel approach; however,
its physiological effects are unclear. We therefore investigated
the sustainability of stable testosterone levels using
SC therapy. Patients and methods: Between May and
September 2005, we conducted a small pilot study involving
10 male patients with symptomatic late-onset hypogonadism.
Every patient had been stable on TE 200 mg IM for
41 year. Patients were instructed to self-inject with
testosterone enanthate (TE) 100 mg SC (DELATESTRYL
200 mg/cc, Theramed Corp, Canada) into the anterior
abdomen once weekly. Some patients were down-titrated
to 50 mg based on their total testosterone (T) at 4 weeks.
Informed consent was obtained as SC testosterone administration
is not officially approved by Health Canada. T
levels were measured before and 24 hours after injection
during weeks 1, 2, 3, and 4, and 96 hours after injection
in week 6 and 8. At week 12, PSA, CBC, and T levels
were measured however; the week 12 data are still being
collected. Results: Prior to initiation of SC therapy, T
was 19.14+3.48 nmol/l, hemoglobin 15.8+1.3 g/dl, hematocrit
0.47+0.02, and PSA 1.05+0.65 ng/ml. During
the first 4 weeks, there was a steady increase in
pre-injection T from 19.14+3.48 to 23.89+9.15 nmol/l
(p¼0.1). However, after 8 weeks the post-injection T
(25.77+7.67 nmol/l) remained similar to that of week 1
(27.46+12.91 nmol/l). Patients tolerated this therapy with
no adverse effects. Conclusions: A once-week SC injection
of 50–100 mg of TE appears to achieve sustainable and
stable levels of physiological T. This technique offers
fewer physician visits and the use of smaller quantity of
medication, thus lower costs. However, the long term
clinical and physiological effects of this therapy need further
evaluation.
I have been schooled!
 
thanks for all of the input guys...i think i will give it a try and see if it works, the main benefit i see is less scar tissue building up with all of the injections and according to the info that StoneColdNTO put up it will not have any adverse affects and will yield the same results.
 
outlawtas2 said:
Nothing wrong with sub-q injections with gear...only part is how do you get it to flow through a 29g needle?


True that.. getting it through a 25g is tough enough.
 
rocko419 said:
True that.. getting it through a 25g is tough enough.

getting gear out of a slin needle is rather hard.. i tried to inject test suspension with a insulin needle and had troubles with it.. really hard to get the gear to actually release
 
don't use slin pins for oils. Smallest gauge i would go is 25g, and even that is annoying to shoot compared to a 23g.

lol @ eod shots.

my next cycle is shooting twice ED. Use alot of site rotations if you use short esters.

delts/glutes/quads - thats 6 right there
 
estray said:
I inject test with a slin pin into low fat areas like my shoulders, tris, bi's, lats, pecs, etc..., but i dont know about the tren. I have a bottle and its some thick looking shit. Its brewed with EO too. Ill let you know in about 2 weeks if it works or not.



so estray...how did the injection go with the tren, or have you tried it yet??
 
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