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What would you guys say is the best way to train the inner and outer bi's ?????
Who is Mike Jones? said:bi's are bi's and there is nothing you can do to target inner or outer
Its a mechanical movement. The bi pulls the forearm up. You simply, physically, cannot "target the upper bi" because the load is transfered to the whole damn thing. If you figured out a way to isolate a axial mechanical load at a specific point of your choosing on something that is attached at two ends (your bicep) - you have a fucking PhD level dissertation on your hands. Youd make a lot of structural engineers RICH.mustanged77 said:I don't get all this stuff about you can't shape your muscles. Bis are bis, Do rows to build you arms.
If you don't believe this then do it one time. Just one time with serious intent and come back to me and tell me I'm full of it.
Take a straight olympic bar, add a few pounds do three sets of 6-8 reps standing curls. No backswing. Elbows slightly out. Use very little weight if you have to. This isolates the inner part of the bi.
Take an inverted curl, add at least 25s, i use 45s, on each side. Stand, legs bent slightly, elbows in tight and don't move them no matter what!
Do three sets 4-6 reps. This isolates the top of the bi.
which explains why the abercrombie curling crew, hitting their biceps from every possible angle imaginable don't sport 20" arms on 150lb geek frames.mustanged77 said:No PhD. Just a Masters in Marine Biology. I teach Biology, Marine Biology and Human Anatomy. I have an extensive background in Physics, Mathmatics, and Organic Chemistry. I was Educated at the University of North Carolina in Charlotte.
Human Anatomy 101: No muscle is one solid piece. Striated muscles(your bis are one of them) are composed of hundreds, sometimes thousands of seperate muscle fibers. One fiber is a Myrofibril made of many sperate fibers called sarcomeres.
BodyBuilding 101: Muscle isolation is key
Advanced bodybuilding 101: Muscle fiber isolation can be achieved by applying force at different angles on one single muscle.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Skeletal_muscle.jpg
I'll be over here with my 3 dimensional arms if you have anymore questions.
silver_shadow said:which explains why the abercrombie curling crew, hitting their biceps from every possible angle imaginable don't sport 20" arms on 150lb geek frames.
mustanged77 said:I hardly believe that people on this forum only do one exercise per body part.
Because thats all you would have to do according to the logic put forth here.
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You can come to the gym and watch me do 1 exercise/body part. Thats all I do!
BTW arm size is proportional to your overall size and defined by your genetics. so since you say that you have 17.5" arms on a 175lb body, either you are short or your genetics have allowed you slightly larger arms for your body size (i'm taking your word for it and not assuming you're bullshitting).mustanged77 said:No, but thats why professional bodybuilders and many well known Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) gurus
are well educated, intelligent and built like you will never be.
I hardly believe that people on this forum only do one exercise per body part.
Because thats all you would have to do according to the logic put forth here.
And by the way, I sport 17" arms at 175-180lbs. I will post pics when I'm almost done with this cycle in a couple of weeks.
This is common knowledge. I can't believe I actually have to defend these statements.
And I use boring, basic exercises for my bis: Concentration dumbell curls, standing olympic bar curls, and standing inverted bar curls.
I've been doing these since 1989, when I first walked into Ricky Steamboats Gym of Professional Wrestlers in Charlotte NC. at the age of 19. And I was a lot less than 150lbs. I learned the basics from the best in the area.
No Ballys with a trainer named Rico. Old pro wrestlers; Rick Flair, Ricky Steamboat, Ivan the Terrible and all those old school wrestlers of the day.
The gym was nothing but a big garage full of free weights, chains, ropes and black and white photos of old school bodybuilders, Arnold, Mentzer, Everson and wrestlers.
When I asked, "How do you get big bis?" they said "curls"
When I asked "how do you get big tris?" they said, "pulldowns, skull crushers"
When I asked " How do get big legs?" they said, "squats" I said, how about leg extensions" they said "NO! Squats!"
I know the foundations of bodybuilding. But at this point I am a little more advanced in my techniques.
I don't do weird positions and freaky stuff that is a complete waste of time.
I do suttle changes to age old techniques. A slight change in my grip and the angle I pull up. An entire wrist flex during concentration curls. An inverted bar and a straight olympian bar for standing curls. No back swing, total concentration on muscle isolation. This is how you shape muscle using basic movements. This is not new!
There are plenty of guys on this forum who are bigger and stronger than me.
But I have taken my knowledge and persistent hard work to take advantage
of my unlikely genetic potential, through smart training, dieting, and the science of AAS, to build a body that I am very proud of. At the age of 39, I look better than I ever have in my life.
If anyone wants to waste their time on this forum and argue about physics, and science, and comparing intelligence and wisdom to being a geek then bring it on. I get paid vey well in my profession to do this all day!
Who is Mike Jones? said:bi's are bi's and there is nothing you can do to target inner or outer
skarhead1 said:agree.. and mustang no one cares how big you arms are "pumped" that just means you have some oxygen in those babies. what are they cold? If your biceps suck, shoot some synthol in them.
So do I @ 5'11" 180 very little bf and natural.mustanged77 said:Let me clarify a couple of things.
I have 17" arms ( 16 3/4 left, 17 1/8 right) on a 5'7", 175 pound frame, after workout. Very little bodyfat. I don't know the percent.