Are they the same,mg per mg? Or is one more liver hazardous than the other? I read here and there how Drol makes cheese of your liver,and such scary stuff,and that dbol is lighter. I can't see why this would be true-they're both c17 alkylated,this is the reason for their toxicity,so they should be equally toxic,like 50 mg dbol would the same as 50 mg drol. I figured I'd run this question by the experts. I also want to decide on a kicker for my test cycle.I always fancied drol.
Is Anadrol more liver toxic than Dianabol?
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Are they the same,mg per mg? Or is one more liver hazardous than the other? I read here and there how Drol makes cheese of your liver,and such scary stuff,and that dbol is lighter. I can't see why this would be true-they're both c17 alkylated,this is the reason for their toxicity,so they should be equally toxic,like 50 mg dbol would the same as 50 mg drol. I figured I'd run this question by the experts. I also want to decide on a kicker for my test cycle.I always fancied drol.
Austinite
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Toxicity of C17-aa steroids is considerably over-exaggerated. The difference between Dianabol and Anadrol is negligible. Both are considerably more toxic than Winstrol. So just because they're C17-aa's does not determine an even level of toxicity across the board. If it's really worrying you, go with Anavar. However, 1,200 to 1,800 mg of NAC daily can combat even a combination of Dianabol and Anadrol. Not recommending that, just showing you the power of NAC.
Do however, expect a considerable level of side effects from Anadrol.
Do however, expect a considerable level of side effects from Anadrol.
This is from another web site, I'd post the link but it's from a source.
Anadrol is the most harmful oral steroid and its intake can cause many considerable side effects. Most users can expect certain pathological changes in their liver values after approximately one week. Those who discontinue the use of oxymetholone will usually show normal values within two months. Oxymetholone is the only anabolic/androgenic steroid, which is linked with liver cancer.
Anadrol is the most harmful oral steroid and its intake can cause many considerable side effects. Most users can expect certain pathological changes in their liver values after approximately one week. Those who discontinue the use of oxymetholone will usually show normal values within two months. Oxymetholone is the only anabolic/androgenic steroid, which is linked with liver cancer.
robbiek426
Uncle Z Representative
While this is very true it is worth mentioning the mg for mg argument between the two compounds. I am a firm believer in DBol and some of my best gains have came from it. Now a very effective dose of Dbol is around 50mgs/day. A very effective dose of Adrol is 100-150mgs/day. I ALWAYS try and use as little AAS to get to where I want to be. If I can do this with 50mgs vs 150mgs of a compound I will choose the lesser. I know that many will say that you will not get as strong from DBol but that is also subject to opinion. If you are soley worried about size and not strength I would place them at the same value and stick with less mgs of the compound! Hope this was helpful!
Rob
^^^^ this plus mg for mg comparisons aren't always accurate since chemical structure and the pathways of metabolism have a large part to do with required dosages. 50mg of one C17aa is not the same toxicity of another C17aa bc of the enzymes necessary to break down each.
Another way of putting it in real world examples would be 50mg Anavar (var) is not as toxic as 50mg of dbol just bc you need a higher dose of one doesn't mean it will be more toxic or have more negative consequences. I would think a degree in chemistry or medicine would help with finding answers to this unless your comparison is for the same compound at Anavar (var) ying dosages.
Robbie, I'm not saying Drol is better than dbol bc you need more or less of each, but have you ever ran liver enzyme tests to Se the effects of both?
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JMEALS
AgedWisely
Yes the anadrol vs dbol debate...both are very liver toxic...for myself and alot of people anadrol at high doses is too much too handle in trade for the results you get...i get massive water retention,a lot of aches and pains,loss of my appetite and brutal headaches on anadrol.....where as dbol i get more of a sense of well being and even though the gains arent as great as anadrol,there good...yes,the sides can be heavy on anadrol....
Never actually gotten bloods while ON dbol, but i have with anadrol a few times. I've never ran more than 150mg ed of drol and 75mg ed of dbol(not at the same time) and I feel like 150mg of drol was definitely the LIMIT, sides weren't that unbearable actually but i was literally force feeding myself every meal...can take all the drugs in the world but if you can't eat...not worth it. On 75mg of Dbol though I felt good, literally zero sides and I felt like i could have taken more.
I would say the biggest difference between dbol and drol is you will KNOW when you find your limit with drol.
I would say the biggest difference between dbol and drol is you will KNOW when you find your limit with drol.
Mike Arnold
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Like Austinit said previously, the toxicity concerns of oral AAS are often severely over-exagerated. Eve Anadrol, which has at times been made out as the "liver killer" is a relatively safe drug for the liver. If oral AAS were so dangerous, they would have never made as presription drugs for long-term use. Anadrol was prescribed for decades in the treatment of anemia...and people would use 100-150 mg/day for months straight. 1,000's of people used Anadrol in this fashion and out of all of them, not a single one ever died from liver failure...not a single one. It was prescribe to men, women, and children for this purpose. One one 12 week study subjects were given 100 mg of Anadrol per day for 12 weeks and at the end of this study, which involved dozens of people, none of them showed any signs of serious liver damage. In the final analysis, Anadrol was deemed safe and well tolerated and was subsequently produced as a prescription drug.
Dianabol, per effective dose, is less toxic than Anadrol, but is likely more toxic per mg. However, only a small percentage of people will ever use 100-150 mg of Diaabol daily, as 50 mg is more than adequate for basically everyone. I have seen people use 60-70 mg per day for about a year straight and at the end of the time period, liver enzymes were not pretty, but the they were not in any imminent danger of liver death. I know one 165 lb world champion powerflifter who has used 10 mg per day for many years straight and his liver readings are near perfect. In my estimation, it is extremely likely a BB'rc could administer 20 mg of d-bol per day 'permanently' and not ever experience any serious liver issues. The point of all this talk is to demonstrate the ridiculousness of the claims that are repeatedly uttered around BB'ing forums today.
These days, we see tons of guys advising people not to run Anadrol or Dianabol for longer than "4 weeks" without a break, or (as they claim) the individual will place himself in harms way due to excessive liver strain. LOL. Many of these guys have no idea what they are talking about. For decades BB'rs would use orals like Dianabol for 8-12 weeks (or longer) and this was considered "normal". No one prior to the advent of OTC designers/PH's recommended orals be used for 4 weeks. After the release of our first OTC designers, which recommended 4 week cycles (ultra-conservative recommendations), it seems as if all the "newbs" and less knwoledgable guys started thinking that this recommendation applied to all oral steroids. Before you know it, we started seeing guys saying that steroids like Dianabol, Anadrol, etc. could not safely be run longer than 4 weeks...and if you were lucky, they would tell you that you "might" be able to push it to 6 weeks. LOL.
The following guidelines are "WELL" within reasonable limits...no questions asked...and are still considered somewhat conservative.
Dianabol: 50 mg for 8 weeks.
Anadrol: 100 mg for 8 weeks.
SD: 20 mg for 8 weeks.
Anavar: 100 mg for 8 weeks.
Winstrol: 75 mg for 8 weeks.
Turinabol: 50 mg for 8 weeks.
M1T: 10 mg for 8 weeks.
Epistane: 50 mg for 8 weeks.
Dimethazine: 45 mg for 8 weeks.
Methylstenbolone: 40 mg for 8 weeks.
Halotestin: 30 mg for 8 weeks.
Dianabol, per effective dose, is less toxic than Anadrol, but is likely more toxic per mg. However, only a small percentage of people will ever use 100-150 mg of Diaabol daily, as 50 mg is more than adequate for basically everyone. I have seen people use 60-70 mg per day for about a year straight and at the end of the time period, liver enzymes were not pretty, but the they were not in any imminent danger of liver death. I know one 165 lb world champion powerflifter who has used 10 mg per day for many years straight and his liver readings are near perfect. In my estimation, it is extremely likely a BB'rc could administer 20 mg of d-bol per day 'permanently' and not ever experience any serious liver issues. The point of all this talk is to demonstrate the ridiculousness of the claims that are repeatedly uttered around BB'ing forums today.
These days, we see tons of guys advising people not to run Anadrol or Dianabol for longer than "4 weeks" without a break, or (as they claim) the individual will place himself in harms way due to excessive liver strain. LOL. Many of these guys have no idea what they are talking about. For decades BB'rs would use orals like Dianabol for 8-12 weeks (or longer) and this was considered "normal". No one prior to the advent of OTC designers/PH's recommended orals be used for 4 weeks. After the release of our first OTC designers, which recommended 4 week cycles (ultra-conservative recommendations), it seems as if all the "newbs" and less knwoledgable guys started thinking that this recommendation applied to all oral steroids. Before you know it, we started seeing guys saying that steroids like Dianabol, Anadrol, etc. could not safely be run longer than 4 weeks...and if you were lucky, they would tell you that you "might" be able to push it to 6 weeks. LOL.
The following guidelines are "WELL" within reasonable limits...no questions asked...and are still considered somewhat conservative.
Dianabol: 50 mg for 8 weeks.
Anadrol: 100 mg for 8 weeks.
SD: 20 mg for 8 weeks.
Anavar: 100 mg for 8 weeks.
Winstrol: 75 mg for 8 weeks.
Turinabol: 50 mg for 8 weeks.
M1T: 10 mg for 8 weeks.
Epistane: 50 mg for 8 weeks.
Dimethazine: 45 mg for 8 weeks.
Methylstenbolone: 40 mg for 8 weeks.
Halotestin: 30 mg for 8 weeks.
Austinite
New member
I generally stay at 40. I see no results beyond that, just amplified side effects.
That statement isn't necessarily true there's lot of medication with severe long term side effects it doesn't stop them from selling it. Big pharm is all about the money. Just look at Tylenol (acetaminophen) its very bad for the liver in the long run and its not even a prescription. I see commercials during the day all the time by lawyers that are asking people if they had such and such side effects by certain medications to call them for a law suit.
Nosy Parker
New member
mg to mg they should be just as hepatotoxic as they both have the same c-17alpha binding so they can pass through the liver without being metabolized. While some say that their toxicity is overstated, as a general rule they still shouldn't be run for longer than 6 weeks per cycle. In addition, other liver metabolized substances should be avoided while using a c-17a such as alcohol, acetaminophen, etc, etc.
Really,which drugs were they?
Thanks Mike! Do you have a link maybe to material regarding that prolonged Anadrol use in clinical setting? I couln't really find anything.
Austinite
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nac.
