is it possible to fully recover with PCT without working out?

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hello

I'm planning on starting PCT soon, but I have problems that prevent me from working out

depression, extremely low energy, constant headaches and weak body are some of those problems. I also have a shoulder and elbow injury

I'm gonna try to eat healthy tho while taking clomid and nolvadex, but unfortunetaly, I can't exercise. can I still fully recover with PCT?
 
IMO you should always show up to the gym and do *something*, just for the sake of maintaining an exercise habit and not wallowing in injury depression.

Even if its just a quick go on the cardio machines and a stretch.
 
Whenever you have an Injury.
Always, and I do mean Always try to work around it.

So if your Shoulder and Elbow are giving you Problems
Go see a Doctor or Physical Therapist and get it taken care of.

In the mean time, if you can Walk, you can do Legs.
Bicycle, Tread Mill, Leg Presses, Extensions, Leg Curls, Calf Raises of all types............................... JP
P.S.
Get into a Gym.
You'll Feel Much Better !
It'll help with the Depression and Lethargy, and you can stay in some kind of shape by Burning Excess Calories.
 
Stats bro?

But yeah.....sure you can recover. You can recover to the level of a normal dude that doesnt go to the gym. As stated above......just get in there and do something.....anything. you'll feel better and mentally recover faster.
Do legs. Talk to someone about the depression. Take care of yourself
 
Stats bro?

But yeah.....sure you can recover. You can recover to the level of a normal dude that doesnt go to the gym. As stated above......just get in there and do something.....anything. you'll feel better and mentally recover faster.
Do legs. Talk to someone about the depression. Take care of yourself

I don't want normal

I want high natty Testosterone levels. at least 900 ng/dl natty. how do I do this?
 
With TRT. Weekly testosterone injections. How old are you?
What is your normal "natty" level? Do you know?
You say you are starting PCT.....well that means you did a cycle. Did you get bloodwork before your cycle? What were the results? What was your cycle? How long and dose?
We need to know how many cycles you've done, what your cycle was, and what your level was before this cycle. Please provide enough info to answer your question. I have a feeling you arent going to answer them and without those answers we are left to assume everything is about average.

I'm gonna play along......let's say you are 35 and your natty level is about 650 with no cycles under your belt. You're 5' 10" and you weigh 185 at about 17%body fat. You go to the gym about 3 times a week and workout for about 45 min each time.
Scenario #1 - you just finished the cycle in the beginner sticky and your gonna follow up with the pct. You now weigh 190 and your bfp is around 15%. With a proper pct you will return to a normal 650 about 5 weeks after pct is complete. And not going to the gym you will return to your previous weight and bfp. Sorry.....that's just how it works.

Scenario #2- you're doing a "PCT" but not really cuz ya haven't done a cycle you're just trying to get your natty level up. Wanna hear something funny???? I did this before I started cycling :) So in this scenario your natty level will very likely go from 650 up into the 900s or more while taking the pct drugs.....mainly the clomid. A month after the drugs stop you will return to 650.

Scenario #3- you have cycled a couple times and done them without hcg or an AI. You have tried to pct before but never really stuck with it. Ok......well run your pct and pray your level returns to 650. It may not but it should. I've seen people lower their natty level with three cycles that were done right followed by PCTs that didn't look so great. 3 years clean they never returned to their former glory. Went from 600s to in the 300s. Sucks but that's the chance we take.

Scenario#4- you did some shitty cycles in high school and you feel that your 650 is low because of that. Let's say you're right. The pct could very well restore you to normal pituitary and testicular function.....and if your normal was supposed to be 900 then hurray you're there.


Now for the simple answer.....unless you were naturally in the 900s then you wont get there without drugs. You'll need a SERM or just straight up test injections. Anyone that tells you differently just hasn't done the bloodwork or seen the bloodwork of others. Tests conducted too close to cycle or pct are just inaccurate as hell. Give everything a minimum of 6 weeks and even do another follow up.

Good luck
 
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youre going to recover fine, working out doesn't play a major role

unfortunately youll tax muscle along the way
 
youre going to recover fine, working out doesn't play a major role

unfortunately youll tax muscle along the way

He doesnt want to recover....he wants his test number really high. He seems very unsatisfied with the prospect of recovering to "normal". Lol
Hope he comes back with some info
 
With TRT. Weekly testosterone injections. How old are you?
What is your normal "natty" level? Do you know?
You say you are starting PCT.....well that means you did a cycle. Did you get bloodwork before your cycle? What were the results? What was your cycle? How long and dose?
We need to know how many cycles you've done, what your cycle was, and what your level was before this cycle. Please provide enough info to answer your question. I have a feeling you arent going to answer them and without those answers we are left to assume everything is about average.

I'm gonna play along......let's say you are 35 and your natty level is about 650 with no cycles under your belt. You're 5' 10" and you weigh 185 at about 17%body fat. You go to the gym about 3 times a week and workout for about 45 min each time.
Scenario #1 - you just finished the cycle in the beginner sticky and your gonna follow up with the pct. You now weigh 190 and your bfp is around 15%. With a proper pct you will return to a normal 650 about 5 weeks after pct is complete. And not going to the gym you will return to your previous weight and bfp. Sorry.....that's just how it works.

Scenario #2- you're doing a "PCT" but not really cuz ya haven't done a cycle you're just trying to get your natty level up. Wanna hear something funny???? I did this before I started cycling :) So in this scenario your natty level will very likely go from 650 up into the 900s or more while taking the pct drugs.....mainly the clomid. A month after the drugs stop you will return to 650.

Scenario #3- you have cycled a couple times and done them without hcg or an AI. You have tried to pct before but never really stuck with it. Ok......well run your pct and pray your level returns to 650. It may not but it should. I've seen people lower their natty level with three cycles that were done right followed by PCTs that didn't look so great. 3 years clean they never returned to their former glory. Went from 600s to in the 300s. Sucks but that's the chance we take.

Scenario#4- you did some shitty cycles in high school and you feel that your 650 is low because of that. Let's say you're right. The pct could very well restore you to normal pituitary and testicular function.....and if your normal was supposed to be 900 then hurray you're there.


Now for the simple answer.....unless you were naturally in the 900s then you wont get there without drugs. You'll need a SERM or just straight up test injections. Anyone that tells you differently just hasn't done the bloodwork or seen the bloodwork of others. Tests conducted too close to cycle or pct are just inaccurate as hell. Give everything a minimum of 6 weeks and even do another follow up.

Good luck

good info. thanks

btw, I don't know what my Test levels are or were before. I have no idea. never tested it before, because I never really cared. as long as I feel high T, it's cool. how do I do that?

I used to have erection 24/7, huge loads of semen, low inhib, aggressive, could train 24/7 in the gym, sleep 3 hours a night and feel refreshed etc.

that was all natty, but after injecting Testosterone and quitting cold turkey, I'm now the opposite of this. I regret this every day. I hate myself. I messed up my hormones for nothing. I can't stop crying. can I get back to how I used to be?
 
You don't even know that your hormones are messed up and even if they are its not the end of the world.

See a doctor or something.

Keep doing exercise. Try yoga. I run sheiko and i hurt all the time but i try to go once a week to yoga. Its great.
 
Best way to get over depression is to work out the endorphins make you feel good. Clomid is rough. It will make you depressed. Maybe take Tamoxifen instead.
But get to the gym and ride the bike for an hour and watch pretty girls. If you drink beer just stop ... taking depressants when you are depressed is just dumb.

I hop eyou are on the mend soon and feeling better.
 
good info. thanks

btw, I don't know what my Test levels are or were before. I have no idea. never tested it before, because I never really cared. as long as I feel high T, it's cool. how do I do that?

I used to have erection 24/7, huge loads of semen, low inhib, aggressive, could train 24/7 in the gym, sleep 3 hours a night and feel refreshed etc.

that was all natty, but after injecting Testosterone and quitting cold turkey, I'm now the opposite of this. I regret this every day. I hate myself. I messed up my hormones for nothing. I can't stop crying. can I get back to how I used to be?

Do your pct and keep going to the gym. After your pct is done wait 4 to 6 weeks and get blood tests. If you feel good and your levels are in range then congrats you recovered. You will likely recover after your pct is done......unless you have cycled a lot. But I have no idea how many cycles you've done.
If the depression is severe then get help immediately.
 
youre going to recover fine, working out doesn't play a major role

unfortunately youll tax muscle along the way

As someone who got a hairline fracture 1 week before starting PCT its nothing i'd recommend. In a vacuum it doesnt play a major role.. On a physiology level, losing your gains, missing out on gym time etc can easily become a downwards spiral and start of depression (speaking from experience)
I spent 4 months for nothing. Should i have listen to your advice and at least try to train left side of my body cuz it helps (cant remember what you said exactly) to keep gains on both sides.
Didn't wanna do it because the elbow injury had already shifted my dominant arm and tiny bit messing symmetri.

Anyhow, tax muscle along the way is an understatement. I lost ALL gains. (Yes yes, its half on me, i know) but still its fucking with me mentally.
 
taking depressants when you are depressed is just dumb..

Taking antidepressants as cure for symptoms is a horrible and dumb idea, because you'll feel worse coming off because you never fixed the issue.
Taking antidepressants as a short term solution to get enough strength to get out of bed in the morning and/or being able to take care of the underlyin issues is totally fine and something even doctors and psychologist will agree, prescribe and recommend.
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Do your pct and keep going to the gym. After your pct is done wait 4 to 6 weeks and get blood tests. If you feel good and your levels are in range then congrats you recovered. You will likely recover after your pct is done......unless you have cycled a lot. But I have no idea how many cycles you've done.
If the depression is severe then get help immediately.

I'd recommend 8 weeks. I checked my values roughly 5ish weeks after PCT...
Granted I was dumb enough to cycle without base values... So i will never know...but during PCT/Clomid im 35pmol (~1000ng/dl) a month or two later i was at 11pmol 450ish ng/dl(ref values are 10-34pmol).
I'm sure not running hcg or AI for my first cycle played a role there along with shitty PCT and skyhigh prolactin.
And i have a very strong feeling my next blood work will show that i need to evalutate and consider going on TRT.

With that said... I doubting a few things... For one you'll at best hit the first stage of REM sleep, which last about 10 minutes but you'll never reach deep rem. What happens during deep rem? Thats when your body heals and rebuilds tissue, increased cell production, GH release etc.
And missing having an aggresive trait is also bit odd.
3 hours just isnt enough to be refreshed and its only worse the yonger you are because you spend considerably more time in deep sleep.
I have had mild insomnia most my life.
 
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